Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[GTripp0012]

I know of at least one person who has Weeden rated above RG3 as a player. I am not that person.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No, you have it wrong. It's dishonest and unproductive to make the comparison between Tannehill and Luck/Griffin. Physically, it's not close. Tannehill is a good athlete for a quarterback. He can make plays with his legs, and can outrun some linebackers.
But Luck and Griffin are two of the better athletes at the position that have come out in years.

Just last year you have Newton, Locker, Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor and Josh Portis all great athletes and you kinda have to throw Terrelle Pryor in there too.

Mayock and other people like to pull out Luck's one handed catch on a wide open QB throwback pass as evidence of his athleticism.
It seems silly to profess that the guy that lead his team in receiving for 2 years (2008 and 2009) isn't at least equally as athletic.

If you wanna say that Griffin is in another class then sure I can understand that, he's a near Olympic caliber athlete.
But its beyond me how anyone can deny that Tannehill, who was the both the best WR and the best QB on the Aggies, doesn't at least have an equal level (if not is flat out superior) of athleticism then Luck.
To me, and I could be way off base, but your opinions of Tannehill kinda smacks of someone that really hasn't watched very much of Tannehill at all really.

However, I don't think the limitations Tannehill has shown within pocket shouldn't just be shrugged off.

Don't worry about shrugging them off because you're probably the only one that thinks he has them, especially in comparison to Foles and Cousins.

I think Tannehill throws the ball to some area of the field really well, and not as well to others.

This is a generic criticism that could be levied against any QB prospect.

The irony is that I'm not even a Tannehill 'guy' , at first I begrudgingly watched him after he took the top spot from Jerrod Johnson.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He just doesn't though. Luck routinely breaks off runs that have him outrunning college corners. Tannehill has his fair share of breakaway TD runs as well, but we're not talking about two guys in the same class.

Luck is going to be a great threat with his legs in the pros regardless of system. Tannehill is more than capable of running the ball within the context of the system, with designed boots and rollouts and draws and such, but he's not Andrew Luck or Cam Newton or Robert Griffin physically. He's just not the same guy.

I think a better comp, athletically, would be Stafford.

The best part about the NFL you really don't need to spend all this draft picks and you really don't need those types of QB's to get to and or win the SB. Curt Warner was no Luck, RGIII, or Cam Newton. Eli is a slow runner and Big Ben can't run to save his life. Drew Breese is borderline he sucked in San Diego which is why they got rid of him. And then ther is Andy Dalton. I guess this year we will get to see if he is good or an anomaly.

Folks you don't need an RGIII to win the SB just a half decent OL to protect him, a QB who can make all the throws, and some decent WR's who can catch a ball which we don't have other then Moss and Gaffney.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The best part about the NFL you really don't need to spend all this draft picks and you really don't need those types of QB's to get to and or win the SB. Curt Warner was no Luck, RGIII, or Cam Newton. Eli is a slow runner and Big Ben can't run to save his life. Drew Breese is borderline he sucked in San Diego which is why they got rid of him. And then ther is Andy Dalton. I guess this year we will get to see if he is good or an anomaly.

Folks you don't need an RGIII to win the SB just a half decent OL to protect him, a QB who can make all the throws, and some decent WR's who can catch a ball which we don't have other then Moss and Gaffney.

And let's not forget Tom Brady the 6th rounder.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Um- Weeden has all that except the running/ evasiveness.
Strong arm
Able to make all the throws
Accuracy
Great with the fade and out route
Smart
Mature
Already gets along with the coaching staff
Has great throwing motion unlike RGIII with his 3/4 motion.
Can read defenses
Shows patience and mobility in the pocket
Works through his progressions
Does not lock on to any one WR

I never said Weeden doesn't have those traits. I'm saying that not only does Griffin have them, but in his case they're even more potent.

And don't discount the mobility. The best part about Griffin is that top tier-elite mobility and the threat of him off the bootleg thereby opening up the cutback lanes for our backs. That threat is invaluable in this offense to the point where we could easily be the number 1 running team next year.

And I know other QB's are mobile but the type of mobility that Griffin brings to the table actually results in running lanes being opened for our backs.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I know of at least one person who has Weeden rated above RG3 as a player. I am not that person.

I do not have him rated over and or above RGIII either. I just see several waisted picks that could be used to help build up our offense between QB, WR, and OL. No need to throw away 3 picks this year and our #1 next year for one player no matter if it's a QB, WR, or OL.

I thought I read some where years ago that coaches care more about QB's technique to see how much they have to change, ball placement/accuracy, and volocity and tight spiral. All the other stuff is fluff the media and fan base love to look at.

RGIII is an excellent prospect and would live him if he fell to us or if we only had to move up 1or 2 spots in which it wouldn't cost us an arm and a leg to do it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I do not have him rated over and or above RGIII either. I just see several waisted picks that could be used to help build up our offense between QB, WR, and OL. No need to throw away 3 picks this year and our #1 next year for one player no matter if it's a QB, WR, or OL.

I thought I read some where years ago that coaches care more about QB's technique to see how much they have to change, ball placement/accuracy, and volocity and tight spiral. All the other stuff is fluff the media and fan base love to look at.

RGIII is an excellent prospect and would live him if he fell to us or if we only had to move up 1or 2 spots in which it wouldn't cost us an arm and a leg to do it.

QB: RG3
WR: Colston, VJax, or S. Johnson
OL: Grubbs

I think the advantage this year, over other years is that we can trade up for a player and use our cap space on a fairly young (late 20s) FA class.

Also, I doubt Bruce Allen would trade up if the price goes out of control (given how he's been fiscally responsible in the past two offseasons).

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I never said Weeden doesn't have those traits. I'm saying that not only does Griffin have them, but in his case they're even more potent.

And don't discount the mobility. The best part about Griffin is that top tier-elite mobility and the threat of him off the bootleg thereby opening up the cutback lanes for our backs. That threat is invaluable in this offense to the point where we could easily be the number 1 running team next year.

And I know other QB's are mobile but the type of mobility that Griffin brings to the table actually results in running lanes being opened for our backs.

I'm just asking cause I don't know..... but when was the last time an extremely mobile QB took his team to the SB and won it. I'll give you Rogers since people want to compare him to RGIII but to me RGIII is more mobile like Vick, and remember Randle Cunningham etc. help me out.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Mayock and other people like to pull out Luck's one handed catch on a wide open QB throwback pass as evidence of his athleticism.
It seems silly to profess that the guy that lead his team in receiving for 2 years (2008 and 2009) isn't at least equally as athletic.

If you wanna say that Griffin is in another class then sure I can understand that, he's a near Olympic caliber athlete.
But its beyond me how anyone can deny that Tannehill, who was the both the best WR and the best QB on the Aggies, doesn't at least have an equal level (if not is flat out superior) of athleticism then Luck.
To me, and I could be way off base, but your opinions of Tannehill kinda smacks of someone that really hasn't watched very much of Tannehill at all really.

Don't worry about shrugging them off because you're probably the only one that thinks he has them, especially in comparison to Foles and Cousins.

This is a generic criticism that could be levied against any QB prospect.

The irony is that I'm not even a Tannehill 'guy' , at first I begrudgingly watched him after he took the top spot from Jerrod Johnson.

Yeah, I'm with you. I don't get the criticism that Tannehill suffers from greater pocket limitations than Foles or Cousins at all. To me Tannehill has an obvious advantage there. I've seen Cousins panic too many times and Foles is terrible in his footwork.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

QB: RG3
WR: Colston, VJax, or S. Johnson
OL: Grubbs

I think the advantage this year, over other years is that we can trade up for a player and use our cap space on a fairly young (late 20s) FA class.

Also, I doubt Bruce Allen would trade up if the price goes out of control (given how he's been fiscally responsible in the past two offseasons).

I understand however I would rather see

QB- Tannehill, Weeden, Cousins
WR- draft
OL- draft

Along with FA
QB- Flynn or PM
WR- your pick but x2
OL- whoever we can entice. Maybe x2

His gives us a lot more talent and players to work with vs. just having 1 pick in 3 rounds and a couple WR's and an OL.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm just asking cause I don't know..... but when was the last time an extremely mobile QB took his team to the SB and won it. I'll give you Rogers since people want to compare him to RGIII but to me RGIII is more mobile like Vick, and remember Randle Cunningham etc. help me out.

Just because he's extremely mobile it doesnt mean he's not gonna be able to deliver the ball from the pocket. He's already a better passer than Vick was at any time in Atlanta.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I understand however I would rather see

QB- Tannehill, Weeden, Cousins
WR- draft
OL- draft

Along with FA
QB- Flynn or PM
WR- your pick but x2
OL- whoever we can entice. Maybe x2

His gives us a lot more talent and players to work with vs. just having 1 pick in 3 rounds and a couple WR's and an OL.

Given the wasted two years of the McNabb/Rex/Beck fiasco, I don't think MS can afford to gamble on these QBs as the 2012 starters.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm just asking cause I don't know..... but when was the last time an extremely mobile QB took his team to the SB and won it. I'll give you Rogers since people want to compare him to RGIII but to me RGIII is more mobile like Vick, and remember Randle Cunningham etc. help me out.

If it has happened it's been a while. Still I've been pretty up front about this.

We all know Vick was a dumb ass. There was a point during his time in Atlanta where he just decided to stop studying the playbook and party instead. He was never that accurate a passer in college and it took him something like 10 years before he got a completion percentage over 57%.

And in spite of all of that he got the Falcons to win games and even got them as far as the NFC Championship. This while being the leagues worst passing QB among starters.

I've said time and time again, the worst we can do, provided RG3 doesn't have a tragic accident is actually start to win games again and get to the playoffs on a semi-regular basis. Thats assuming he doesn't develop as a passer which given his game tape is hard to believe. There is little chance that Griffin becomes even close to as bad of a passer as the Atlanta version of Michael Vick.

Also keep in mind the league is changing. It's only a matter of time before an athletic freak at QB wins the Super Bowl. I certainly wouldn't bet against it happening.

[Dirtbag59]

Also I know people are running rampant with the whole 2012 1st, 2nd, and 3rd-2013 1st and 3rd price so lets put an end to that right now.

2012 NFL draft -- St. Louis Rams decide to trade No. 2 overall pick, sources say - ESPN

The Rams are seeking a deal similar to what the San Diego Chargers got for the rights to 2004 top overall pick Eli Manning, sources said Monday.

The Eli Manning standard still applies. Two first, a third and a veteran. That would probably translate to a second tier QB, a defensive starter, and a possible starting Guard or Linebacker? Totally worth it to pass on the chance to take an elite QB prospect.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I 100% believe so. Which is why I'm against throwing all those picks to get him when there is a possibility 7-8 picks could be turned into 12-16 picks that would help this team with its on going rebuild. With a good OL we would not have a need for a QB who has to run for his life or fails to go through his progressions because he gets impatient and runs.

Doubling picks? So everyone will come mostly from the 4th round and lower?