Ocho Cinco In B&G

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Please, please, stay away from this guy. First he would cost too much and seems to be declining talent wise, plus we don't need another Brandon Lloyd. DS and VC use your brains and draft a receiver instead of going for the quick fix.

I dunno why people are so quick to compare CJ to Lloyd.

One glaringly different thing is CJ is good. Brandon Lloyd is not and if he is good, he failed to show that while here and could've really cared less.

I guarantee if we land CJ he will NOT be the CJ (attitude wise) of Cincinnati. Bank on it.

[Smurf85]

I think Johnson would be a great pickup and thats what JC needs.

[OverseasSkinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we're going to overpay for someone I would rather see CJ here over Moss.

Yes, CJ would be the preference since he has no history of beating up women as Moss does (allegedly)!

[CooleyFanOV]

Its a headline on Mike and Mike this morning.

The Redskins are intrested in aquiring Chad Johnson from the Bengals!!!


When these type of headlines come out this time of year, knowing our need for a WR. Im inclined to believe that DS is on the hunt.

BL you better give up your jersey boy....you are outta here!!!

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by CooleyFanOV

Its a headline on Mike and Mike this morning.

The Redskins are intrested in aquiring Chad Johnson from the Bengals!!!


When these type of headlines come out this time of year, knowing our need for a WR. Im inclined to believe that DS is on the hunt.

BL you better give up your jersey boy....you are outta here!!!

Beat me to the post, but yeah I heard that on Mike & Mike this morning also.

All they would go as far as saying is that "The Redskins have made "overtures" to the Bengals with regard to Chad Johnson". Much like the "overtures" they made with regard to Lance Briggs last spring.

Although I can see Washington re-negotiating current contracts with players to get under the cap and make room, I just cannot see the Bengals going through with any trade of Johnson, to anyone.

So don't rush right out and buy a burgundy and gold #85 jersey just yet.

Ocho-Cinco is under contract through 2011 in Cincinatti. By trading Johnson NOW, the Bengals organization will have to accept MILLIONS of dollars in "Dead Money". That is a lot of money that counts against the Bengals salary cap. And it just does not make good business sense to trade him this year.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

So JLC is reporting that league observers believe it will take a 1st and 3rd round or two 2nd round picks to pry Chad Johnson away from Cincy. Assuming it does take that much to nab Chad Johnson and we pull the tigger, I am dead set against the trade. Trading 2 first day picks for a 30 year old receiver with character problems isn't wise IMO.

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I think we'll give up Moss and a 1st or 2nd round pick for him...

All of our depth at solid #2,3 receivers etc... it just makes sense.

Anybody have any idea about the contract implications to a deal like this?

[Soup's Uncle]

If we had Johnson, Moss and Randle EL as our Top 3 recievers, we would have one of the best recieving trios in the league. Then if you ad in Caldwell when we do our 4 wide sets, we'd be pretty dangerous.

I say you do this move if you don't have to give up too many draft picks and you can jettison Brandon Lloyd.

[talk show host]

No way we get CJ without giving up our 1st round pic and possible a lower round pick as well. He is talented, but he will demand a large contract. He's 6'1, but we could really use someone a bit taller. He's a Diva and we have no reason to beleive he wouldn't make problems here. He's also 30 years old and may be in his prime now, but he probably only has 3-4 "good" years left in him.

why not keep our draft picks and just use those picks on a good, young, tall, cheap receiver?

for salary cap reasons, every chad johnson-type player we hire means we WON"T have talent at 3-4 other positions. i'd rather pay for 3-4 good players than one "star." and so would 31 other teams in the NFL. I guess snyder hasnt learned anything.

[Monkeydad]

From CJ's Rotoworld page (usually VERY reliable)
Chad Johnson

"Numerous league sources" tell the Washington Post that the Redskins are interested in trading for Chad Johnson.

Here we go. Two sources say Johnson is "eager" to get a new contract from the Redskins, confirming that Chad's main beef with the Bengals is about money. With a coaching staff almost fully in place, owner Dan Snyder's top priority is known to be acquiring a No. 1 receiver. While the Bengals aren't interested in moving Johnson currently, sources tell the Post that agent Drew Rosenhaus is actively working to broker a deal. It would probably take a pair of early first day draft picks to get Johnson. Feb. 11 - 11:28 pm et

Source: washingtonpost.com

[Monkeydad]

^Next paragraph in that Post article:

The Redskins also are expected to again pursue Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs, another Rosenhaus client they attempted to trade for last offseason.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Beat me to the post, but yeah I heard that on Mike & Mike this morning also.

All they would go as far as saying is that "The Redskins have made "overtures" to the Bengals with regard to Chad Johnson". Much like the "overtures" they made with regard to Lance Briggs last spring.

Although I can see Washington re-negotiating current contracts with players to get under the cap and make room, I just cannot see the Bengals going through with any trade of Johnson, to anyone.

So don't rush right out and buy a burgundy and gold #85 jersey just yet.

Ocho-Cinco is under contract through 2011 in Cincinatti. By trading Johnson NOW, the Bengals organization will have to accept MILLIONS of dollars in "Dead Money". That is a lot of money that counts against the Bengals salary cap. And it just does not make good business sense to trade him this year.

Sandtrap - you nailed it - the Bengals are not going to trade Johnson and ruin their cap just because CJ is upset. It would cost the Bengals $8.8 million in cap hits to trade him right now - plus if they did trade him they would have to get a replacement which will cost even more money - it is just not practical for the Bengals to do this. Just because a player is unhappy does not mean a GM or owner is going to relent to his trade demand immediately. People need to start looking at salary cap ramifications before they start specualting that a player will be traded.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by talk show host

No way we get CJ without giving up our 1st round pic and possible a lower round pick as well. He is talented, but he will demand a large contract. He's 6'1, but we could really use someone a bit taller. He's a Diva and we have no reason to beleive he wouldn't make problems here. He's also 30 years old and may be in his prime now, but he probably only has 3-4 "good" years left in him.

why not keep our draft picks and just use those picks on a good, young, tall, cheap receiver?

for salary cap reasons, every chad johnson-type player we hire means we WON"T have talent at 3-4 other positions. i'd rather pay for 3-4 good players than one "star." and so would 31 other teams in the NFL. I guess snyder hasnt learned anything.

Stop it talk show host - you are making too much sense!

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Buster

^Next paragraph in that Post article:

I know this is a CJ thread but please let's not get into the Briggs mess again. We have some pretty solid LBs last time i checked...fletcher, washington, mcintosh (who's supposed to be ready), blades.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Sandtrap - you nailed it - the Bengals are not going to trade Johnson and ruin their cap just because CJ is upset. It would cost the Bengals $8.8 million in cap hits to trade him right now - plus if they did trade him they would have to get a replacement which will cost even more money - it is just not practical for the Bengals to do this. Just because a player is unhappy does not mean a GM or owner is going to relent to his trade demand immediately. People need to start looking at salary cap ramifications before they start specualting that a player will be traded.

Why not Santana Moss and a 2nd round pick?

You don't need to pay for a placement... the ammo is certainly there, I just simply don't understand the cap logistics behind a move like this. Don't know if it's plausible or not. Anyone that knows the salary cap well, please feel free to chime in... I'm curious to the possibility of something blockbuster like this.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Why not Santana Moss and a 2nd round pick?

You don't need to pay for a placement... the ammo is certainly there, I just simply don't understand the cap logistics behind a move like this. Don't know if it's plausible or not. Anyone that knows the salary cap well, please feel free to chime in... I'm curious to the possibility of something blockbuster like this.

Lemme see if I can help....

The "Dead Money" I mentioned is the remaining portion of his pro-rated signing bonus.

If Johnson stays under contrat with the Bengals, he would get his signing bounus in (lack for better words) yearly installments. He gets a portion of that signing bonus each year.

Now if a player is traded BEFORE his contract expires, then the remaining amount of the signing bonus gets piled into one lump-sum and counts AGAINST the teams salary cap.

So if Johnson is traded, then you have FOUR YEARS of the remaining signing bonus that is (remaining signing bonus installment) X 4 yrs = 8.8 mill that instantly counts against the teams cap.

So as Bill B mentioned, by trading Johnson, the Bengals would incur and instantaneous 8.8 hit against thier cap with no player to show for it.

Hence the term "Dead Money"

Sure any team can propose a trade that would acquire Johnson, but are the Bengals going to allow it and voluntarily place themselves 8.8 million in the hole on the cap?

Now if Johnson was entering the FINAL year of his contract, that dead money hit is almost nil and a trade would be feasible for Cincy.

But with 4 years remaining on his current contract, and 8 Mill in dead money, I just do nor forsee the Bengals entertaining trade offers.