Election Day November 5,2024

Giantone · 11-25-2024, 07:39 PM

Popular vote totals make Trump’s ‘mandate’ look like a mirage

https://news.yahoo.com/news/maddow-b...130359790.html

On the surface, the argument, such as it is, might seem unnecessary. Trump won, fair and square. He’ll have power and the ability to pursue his goals.

But the details matter. As things stand, according to the latest tally from the Cook Political Report, Trump won 49.86% of the popular vote — a margin of 1.6% over Vice President Kamala Harris. (The Democratic nominee, interestingly enough, came up short while winning a higher percentage of the popular vote than Trump received in 2016 or 2020.)

The bottom line is unambiguous: As a matter of arithmetic, the 2024 contest was a close race in which more Americans voted against him than for him.

This is relevant, not for practical reasons, but for political ones. Trump’s many critics can declare, accurately and honestly, to the nation and the world, that the incoming president lacks an electoral mandate. The incoming president and his allies, meanwhile, can try to claim that he's the one true voice of the nation, but the popular vote totals point in the opposite direction.

When some news organizations reported on this last week, Karoline Leavitt, the incoming White House press secretary, responded via social media, “New Fake News Narrative Alert! ... The fake news is trying to minimize President Trump’s massive and historic victory to try to delegitimize his mandate before he even takes the Oath of Office again.”

But the pushback is baseless. There’s nothing “fake” about actual election results, whether Republicans approve of them or not. Using the word “mandate” over and over again will not change the outcome or make Trump's coming overreach any less outrageous.

Chico23231 · 11-26-2024, 08:05 AM

Still coping hard I see…lotta this action

Giantone · 11-27-2024, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Still coping hard I see…lotta this action

Still not won a popular vote election.

hail2commanders · 11-27-2024, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Still not won a popular vote election.

He did in fact win the popular vote. He just didn't win over 50 percent of the votes cast.

Ronald Reagan in 1984 won every state except Minnesota and I believe 57 percent of the vote. Nixon in 1972 won almost every state and I think over 60 percent. And yet if such a result was obtained today, you'd have people saying "but you need 70 percent for a mandate......"

Giantone · 11-27-2024, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hail2commanders

He did in fact win the popular vote. He just didn't win over 50 percent of the votes cast.

Ronald Reagan in 1984 won every state except Minnesota and I believe 57 percent of the vote. Nixon in 1972 won almost every state and I think over 60 percent. And yet if such a result was obtained today, you'd have people saying "but you need 70 percent for a mandate......"

More people voted against him then for him. Not saying he didn't win, just not the popular vote.

Chico23231 · 11-27-2024, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

More people voted against him then for him. Not saying he didn't win, just not the popular vote.

Fact check, yes Trump won the popular vote

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/11/tr...claims-online/

In order to win the popular vote, a candidate must only receive more votes than any other single candidate — that is, a plurality of votes. They need not win the majority of all votes cast.

Bigly won the popular vote G1, suck it up buttercup

88Commanders00 · 11-27-2024, 11:39 PM

Trump won the popular vote, he just didn’t cross 50%, just a little under it. Clinton won the popular vote twice but he didn’t cross 50%.

Giantone · 11-28-2024, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 88Commanders00

Trump won the popular vote, he just didn’t cross 50%, just a little under it. Clinton won the popular vote twice but he didn’t cross 50%.

More people voted against trump then for him, yes it's that simple and a great case to dump the Electoral College.

88Commanders00 · 11-28-2024, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

More people voted against trump then for him, yes it's that simple and a great case to dump the Electoral College.

So, that’s happened several times. Trump still would have won in a popular vote Only election this time. There’s always a small percentage of third parties getting the vote.

Popular vote is the votes you actually get and if you win more than the other candidates, you won the popular vote. Just because you don’t hit the 50% threshold doesn’t mean you lost the popular vote.

No Dem was going to win this election because the top 2 issues were inflation and immigration and that went against the Democrats. Kamala couldn’t escape that because she was part of the current administration. Other Dems also couldn’t escape that because Dems are in charge and Dems are getting the blame.

Chico23231 · 11-28-2024, 10:00 AM

Remarkable footage shows Wisconsin women screaming in unison towards Lake Michigan in the wake of Vice President Harris's Nov. 5 loss to President-elect Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/women-eng...lease-our-pain

Totally not a cult

Giantone · 11-28-2024, 10:50 AM

[QUOTE=88Commanders00;1368526]So, that’s happened several times. Trump still would have won in a popular vote Only election this time. There’s always a small percentage of third parties getting the vote.

Popular vote is the votes you actually get and if you win more than the other candidates, you won the popular vote. Just because you don’t hit the 50% threshold doesn’t mean you lost the popular vote.

No Dem was going to win this election because the top 2 issues were inflation and immigration and that went against the Democrats. Kamala couldn’t escape that because she was part of the current administration. Other Dems also couldn’t escape that because Dems are in charge and Dems are getting the blame.[/QUOTE]

I get that IMO she did ok for a 12 week campaign against someone who had been running for 4 years.

Giantone · 11-28-2024, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Remarkable footage shows Wisconsin women screaming in unison towards Lake Michigan in the wake of Vice President Harris's Nov. 5 loss to President-elect Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/women-eng...lease-our-pain

Totally not a cult

You should be able to relate , you've been screaming and whining for 4 years.

Giantone · 12-12-2024, 06:18 PM

Well here is a fucking surprise......................

https://news.yahoo.com/news/trump-ba...151932186.html

Trump Backtracks On Campaign Pledge To Bring Down Grocery Prices

Giantone · 12-17-2024, 07:13 PM

trump the criminal is starting his Dictatorship early.........................

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-repor...212928997.html

11-25-2024, 07:39 PM	#166
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,433	Re: Election Day November 5,2024 Popular vote totals make Trump’s ‘mandate’ look like a mirage https://news.yahoo.com/news/maddow-b...130359790.html On the surface, the argument, such as it is, might seem unnecessary. Trump won, fair and square. He’ll have power and the ability to pursue his goals. But the details matter. As things stand, according to the latest tally from the Cook Political Report, Trump won 49.86% of the popular vote — a margin of 1.6% over Vice President Kamala Harris. (The Democratic nominee, interestingly enough, came up short while winning a higher percentage of the popular vote than Trump received in 2016 or 2020.) The bottom line is unambiguous: As a matter of arithmetic, the 2024 contest was a close race in which more Americans voted against him than for him. This is relevant, not for practical reasons, but for political ones. Trump’s many critics can declare, accurately and honestly, to the nation and the world, that the incoming president lacks an electoral mandate. The incoming president and his allies, meanwhile, can try to claim that he's the one true voice of the nation, but the popular vote totals point in the opposite direction. When some news organizations reported on this last week, Karoline Leavitt, the incoming White House press secretary, responded via social media, “New Fake News Narrative Alert! ... The fake news is trying to minimize President Trump’s massive and historic victory to try to delegitimize his mandate before he even takes the Oath of Office again.” But the pushback is baseless. There’s nothing “fake” about actual election results, whether Republicans approve of them or not. Using the word “mandate” over and over again will not change the outcome or make Trump's coming overreach any less outrageous. __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

11-26-2024, 08:05 AM	#167
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,037	Re: Election Day November 5,2024 Still coping hard I see…lotta this action __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

11-27-2024, 11:39 PM	#172
88Commanders00 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2024 Posts: 885	Re: Election Day November 5,2024 Trump won the popular vote, he just didn’t cross 50%, just a little under it. Clinton won the popular vote twice but he didn’t cross 50%.

11-28-2024, 10:00 AM	#175
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,037	Re: Election Day November 5,2024 Remarkable footage shows Wisconsin women screaming in unison towards Lake Michigan in the wake of Vice President Harris's Nov. 5 loss to President-elect Trump. https://www.foxnews.com/us/women-eng...lease-our-pain Totally not a cult __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

11-28-2024, 10:50 AM	#176
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,433	Re: Election Day November 5,2024 [QUOTE=88Commanders00;1368526]So, that’s happened several times. Trump still would have won in a popular vote Only election this time. There’s always a small percentage of third parties getting the vote. Popular vote is the votes you actually get and if you win more than the other candidates, you won the popular vote. Just because you don’t hit the 50% threshold doesn’t mean you lost the popular vote. No Dem was going to win this election because the top 2 issues were inflation and immigration and that went against the Democrats. Kamala couldn’t escape that because she was part of the current administration. Other Dems also couldn’t escape that because Dems are in charge and Dems are getting the blame.[/QUOTE] I get that IMO she did ok for a 12 week campaign against someone who had been running for 4 years. __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

12-12-2024, 06:18 PM	#178
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,433	Re: Election Day November 5,2024 Well here is a fucking surprise...................... https://news.yahoo.com/news/trump-ba...151932186.html Trump Backtracks On Campaign Pledge To Bring Down Grocery Prices __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

12-17-2024, 07:13 PM	#179
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,433	Re: Election Day November 5,2024 trump the criminal is starting his Dictatorship early......................... https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-repor...212928997.html __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

Election Day November 5,2024

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