Do you think Rivera will successfully rebuild ?

[Chief X_Phackter]

I don't know man, 2019 was bad. Nine of their 13 losses were by 10 or more points. The three wins they managed were by a total of 12 points. 0 for 6 in the division. The team was definitely heading in the wrong direction - closing out the season getting their doors blown off by the Cowboys. They weren't competitive.

I'm not crowning RR yet, but at least this team has been competitive since he arrived. I am not sure how one could say that they have regressed, or even sustained what they had going on in 2019. To me it has been much better, despite the injuries and lack of consistent QB play, even if some of the final scores don't reflect that. On paper, it looks a lot like 2019, but I personally can see the difference in how this current team competes, compared to pre RR. They haven't figured out how to play complementary football yet, but I have to believe that the huge roster turnover has a lot to do with that so far. I think there's only like 12-15 players on the team now, who were on the team when RR took over.

It's going to take some time for it to all come together, for sure. The biggest thing holding them back is the most important position - QB. Can't fix that this year, so all I want to see the rest of the season is that the players come to play every game, and the coaches bring a good game plan and are able to make adjustments to give the team a chance every week.

It's a crying shame this team isn't 5-3 instead of 2-6. It is what it is, but there are actually a lot of winnable games on the second half of the schedule. And it's set up for them to succeed, despite their current record, with 5 Division games, 8 NFC games, and only three opponents who have a winning record.

Just got to go out and do it.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I don't know man, 2019 was bad. Nine of their 13 losses were by 10 or more points. The three wins they managed were by a total of 12 points. 0 for 6 in the division. The team was definitely heading in the wrong direction - closing out the season getting their doors blown off by the Cowboys. They weren't competitive.

I'm not crowning RR yet, but at least this team has been competitive since he arrived. I am not sure how one could say that they have regressed, or even sustained what they had going on in 2019. To me it has been much better, despite the injuries and lack of consistent QB play, even if some of the final scores don't reflect that. On paper, it looks a lot like 2019, but I personally can see the difference in how this current team competes, compared to pre RR. They haven't figured out how to play complementary football yet, but I have to believe that the huge roster turnover has a lot to do with that so far. I think there's only like 12-15 players on the team now, who were on the team when RR took over.

It's going to take some time for it to all come together, for sure. The biggest thing holding them back is the most important position - QB. Can't fix that this year, so all I want to see the rest of the season is that the players come to play every game, and the coaches bring a good game plan and are able to make adjustments to give the team a chance every week.

It's a crying shame this team isn't 5-3 instead of 2-6. It is what it is, but there are actually a lot of winnable games on the second half of the schedule. And it's set up for them to succeed, despite their current record, with 5 Division games, 8 NFC games, and only three opponents who have a winning record.

Just got to go out and do it.

I mean I get what you're saying - but this team has clearly regressed from last year. Last year they at least competed - there wasn't many games that we were blown out in and with minimal player turnover it was fair to expect them to continue to do the same this year. Instead it's been the opposite.

I haven't given up on Ron yet but somehow this team managed to return most players and coaches from last year and they have clearly gotten worse. Many of our losses this year have been noncompetitive. How many times have we won the coin toss only to see them waltz down the field on the opening drive to score a td? We're in the hole from the start, and it snowballs from there.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean I get what you're saying - but this team has clearly regressed from last year. Last year they at least competed - there wasn't many games that we were blown out in and with minimal player turnover it was fair to expect them to continue to do the same this year. Instead it's been the opposite.



I haven't given up on Ron yet but somehow this team managed to return most players and coaches from last year and they have clearly gotten worse. Many of our losses this year have been noncompetitive. How many times have we won the coin toss only to see them waltz down the field on the opening drive to score a td? We're in the hole from the start, and it snowballs from there.

You were writing a compelling case until the opening drive argument. Last year our defense gave up opening drive scores all season long, and our offense didn't score a first drive point till the last weekend of the regular season I believe. This year we have stopped a few of the worst teams first drives.




And yes the bar is that low

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You were writing a compelling case until the opening drive argument. Last year our defense gave up opening drive scores all season long, and our offense didn't score a first drive point till the last weekend of the regular season I believe. This year we have stopped a few of the worst teams first drives.




And yes the bar is that low

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Thanks Cred, I had successfully repressed the memory of our D getting assraped on most opening drives of the last two years until you reminded me.

Are you going to pay for my therapy?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Thanks Cred, I had successfully repressed the memory of our D getting assraped on most opening drives of the last two years until you reminded me.



Are you going to pay for my therapy?

Maybe we can get a class action suit against DS

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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean I get what you're saying - but this team has clearly regressed from last year. Last year they at least competed - there wasn't many games that we were blown out in and with minimal player turnover it was fair to expect them to continue to do the same this year. Instead it's been the opposite.

I haven't given up on Ron yet but somehow this team managed to return most players and coaches from last year and they have clearly gotten worse. Many of our losses this year have been noncompetitive. How many times have we won the coin toss only to see them waltz down the field on the opening drive to score a td? We're in the hole from the start, and it snowballs from there.

Yeah, I wasn't actually comparing last year to this year. I was comparing pre RR to with RR. But there has been a lot of player turnover since he arrived - including into this year (40% of the starting OL, LBs, most of the secondary, WRs, QB); not to mention the schedule/competition has been a lot tougher this year.

I'm not trying to make excuses for the 2-6 record, but there are a myriad of reasons that it is what it is, but I don't consider it 'regression' necessarily.

I know you are what your record is, but as crazy as it might sound, I really don't think this team is as bad as that record. Clean up a couple things, get a couple key guys healthy, and most importantly get more out of the QB position, and I think it's possible they could make some noise in the 2nd half. Will it be enough, I don't know...