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Re: Media Bias
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Biden and I quote: What you know, son of a bitch, the prosecutor was fired. Look up the video as Biden explains this on a campaign stop. Yes, Biden and the Obama Administration participated in a quid pro quo.
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This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests. The difference here is that, in this case, if the allegations are true, Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He would have been using his power for PERSONAL political gain. This is the difference. Whether you agree with it or not, do you understand that part?
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Re: Media Bias
[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1243662]Biden was acting on behalf of the official policy of the united states government at the time.
This is not about threatening to cut off a country's aid. There is nothing wrong with that. Its done all the time. I would hope that Trump regularly uses his power as POTUS to exert pressure on other world leaders to support America's interests. The difference here is that, in this case, if the allegations are true, Trump would not have been acting on behalf of the United states official policy towards Ukraine. He would have been using his power for PERSONAL political gain. The president investing corruption is doing the same. Bolded. You are jumping Read the transcripts… and put down the "opinion" articles. The facts don't connect these things. Bribery, Treason, and Extortion are high crimes and misdemeanors, if these things were true and proven the Impeachment article would have included these along with the witness testimony/documentation within the House process. They didn't.
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Re: Media Bias
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The best way to quash this is to produce EVERYTHING, order EVERYONE to testify, and let republicans and democrats determine what actually happened. Sadly, the President is making a concerted effort to cover things up, so lawmakers are limited in one they are able to do. Trumps also threatened republican senators, which essentially amounts to jury intimidation. It is truly sad that our democracy has come to this. The president is incredibly corrupt and politicians on both sides are more concerned with appeasing their constituents than behaving like adults and doing their jobs. I cannot wait for this nightmare to be over in November.
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Re: Media Bias
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What transcripts? You mean the summary of the transcript???? Why block witnesses from testifying? Come the fuck on man. You stop listening to Fox and open your own actual eyes |
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Re: Media Bias
[quote=punch it in;1243680]The transcripts and testimony matched up. The President wasn't given due process in the house.
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Re: Media Bias
[quote=Chico23231;1243688]LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
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Facts psssh..... |
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He wants the Biden investigation announced because it helps Trump politically, in the upcoming election of his life. Literally. If Trump loses in November, I guarantee you there will be state and/or federal prosecutors lining up cases to move against him that he won't be able to use the protection of the POTUS to defend himself against. I agree with you, I think Joe Biden used his position to help his struggling son out and it was an absolutely terrible move in hindsight. He probably sold Burisma on the job for Hunter as a way to get access to himself. Let's not act like Trump is a saint in that regard either, for the price of a Mar-A-Lago membership or a drink at the Trump Hotel you can get access to Trump or Guliani. And who can forget, you can literally record an hour long video of Trump talking inside the White House and all you have to do is be a donor or a Guliani henchman.
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It's not going to resolve and hearts/minds are not going to change, and I am remembering why I left the debate ![]() edit: and so you don't think I am deflecting - yes I think he cared about Ukraine in 2017 and 2018. This is from a 2018 WP article Quote:
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I was at a funeral and someone said "life is 10% what happens to you, 90% how you react to it". But I do think discussion is important, we as humans talk and gossip. Im always caught between wanting to talk politics and getting frustrated vs just sticking my head in the sand. My bottom line in politics is this and so far I dont think ive been wrong ... whether its a D or an R in control, it never actually effects my day to day life. So why get so worked up? Under Obama and now Trump, I cant say my life has changed for better or worse or even been effected at all. I felt better and prouder under Obama so why shouldnt my brethern trump supporters get their day under the sun? (Outside of medicinal marijuana in MD which seemed to be bipartisan in MD and some local Howard County Board of Ed decisions I advocated against ... local local politics is what effects me. Will they put a bike lane in, will they cut arts funding, new playground etc).
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Trump and his tariffs made sourcing "domestic" steel and aluminum a pain in the rear. Mills and wholesalers used the tariffs as excuses to play all kinds of games with pricing and delivery. Some places raised prices up to 60% overnight. Things seemed to have finally settled down a bit and prices are dropping but nowhere near pre-tariff levels. As I mentioned I buy domestic only. |
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