Media Bias

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let's be honest here Cred. Do you really think Donald Trump, the supremely self-centered leader of our country who only really cares about himself, is concerned with corruption in the Ukraine?

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And ultimately this is the Democratic argument, at best with witnesses it will be a he said/he said on the linkage. And half the country will like Don Lemon and his ilk will laugh at Trump supporters for supporting Trump, and half, like me, will be disgusted with the never trumpers and rational people who hate Trump and assume/accept that all his intentions must be evil/self centered.

It's not going to resolve and hearts/minds are not going to change, and I am remembering why I left the debate As Sunnyside said, we get sucked in to a time wasting slew of disgust for people who we should have a major common point (HTTR) of agreement, except G1 who sucks all around! (j/k G1, just your politics and football suck, I am sure you have many other redeeming qualities)

edit: and so you don't think I am deflecting - yes I think he cared about Ukraine in 2017 and 2018. This is from a 2018 WP article

Time and again, U.S. officials have said anti-corruption efforts were part of U.S. policy in Ukraine.

“The leaders agreed on the importance of expanding bilateral trade and investment, and the Vice President underscored the need for continued reforms to fight corruption, increase transparency, and improve the business climate,” read the March 2018 readout of Vice President Pence’s call with then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's not going to resolve and hearts/minds are not going to change, and I am remembering why I left the debate As Sunnyside said, we get sucked in to a time wasting slew of disgust for people who we should have a major common point (HTTR) of agreement, except G1 who sucks all around! (j/k G1, just your politics and football suck, I am sure you have many other redeeming qualities)

That is what i can control. My reaction and feelings to others diffirent than me. If I cant listen to someone else's opinion that I disagree with and properly compartamentalize ... that is a failure on my part. What am I, a 6 year old?

I was at a funeral and someone said "life is 10% what happens to you, 90% how you react to it".

But I do think discussion is important, we as humans talk and gossip. Im always caught between wanting to talk politics and getting frustrated vs just sticking my head in the sand.

My bottom line in politics is this and so far I dont think ive been wrong ... whether its a D or an R in control, it never actually effects my day to day life. So why get so worked up? Under Obama and now Trump, I cant say my life has changed for better or worse or even been effected at all. I felt better and prouder under Obama so why shouldnt my brethern trump supporters get their day under the sun?

(Outside of medicinal marijuana in MD which seemed to be bipartisan in MD and some local Howard County Board of Ed decisions I advocated against ... local local politics is what effects me. Will they put a bike lane in, will they cut arts funding, new playground etc).

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

My bottom line in politics is this and so far I dont think ive been wrong ... whether its a D or an R in control, it never actually effects my day to day life.

I was born a couple weeks after JFK took office. Only the last two had an effect on my life. Drafting for the Vietnam war ended when I was 14 and they haven't had a draft since. Obamacare caused my health insurance rates to almost quadruple.

Trump and his tariffs made sourcing "domestic" steel and aluminum a pain in the rear. Mills and wholesalers used the tariffs as excuses to play all kinds of games with pricing and delivery. Some places raised prices up to 60% overnight. Things seemed to have finally settled down a bit and prices are dropping but nowhere near pre-tariff levels. As I mentioned I buy domestic only.