Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[mooby]

Tell me the last franchise quarterback that didn't get the exclusive tag, and I'll counterpoint and tell you that's an oxymoron because it never happened.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

Tell me the last franchise quarterback that didn't get the exclusive tag, and I'll counterpoint and tell you that's an oxymoron because it never happened.

Do you mean a QB who got the non-exclusive franchise tag? Like Matt Cassell in 2009 or Kirk Cousins last year?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you mean a QB who got the non-exclusive franchise tag? Like Matt Cassell in 2009 or Kirk Cousins last year?

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[metalskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you mean a QB who got the non-exclusive franchise tag? Like Matt Cassell in 2009 or Kirk Cousins last year?

The tag that Cousins got last year was a non-exclusive?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by metalskins

The tag that Cousins got last year was a non-exclusive?

yup - Washington Redskins franchise tag Kirk Cousins - NFL.com

The Washington Redskins used their non-exclusive franchise tag on Cousins, the team announced Tuesday. The designation acts as a one-year, $19.95 million contract for the quarterback, who picked a wonderful time to enjoy a breakout season in 2015

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

yup - Washington Redskins franchise tag Kirk Cousins - NFL.com

That's interesting. Don't know how I missed that. I assumed it was the exclusive. Maybe because I never heard of any teams wanting to negotiate with Cousins last offseason.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you mean a QB who got the non-exclusive franchise tag? Like Matt Cassell in 2009 or Kirk Cousins last year?

No I meant more along the lines of a true franchise qb, like a Manning or a Brees. I like Kirk, don't get me wrong, but there were still doubts last offseason about him being a true franchise qb, and Matt Cassel was decent in '09 (iirc correctly that was the year he was coming off the 11-5 season for the Pats) but he wasn't "elite qb decent."

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

No I meant more along the lines of a true franchise qb, like a Manning or a Brees. I like Kirk, don't get me wrong, but there were still doubts last offseason about him being a true franchise qb, and Matt Cassel was decent in '09 (iirc correctly that was the year he was coming off the 11-5 season for the Pats) but he wasn't "elite qb decent."

Not sure I'm following your point. True franchise quarterbacks don't get the franchise tag? So, Kirk Cousins isn't franchise quarterback material?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Not sure I'm following your point. True franchise quarterbacks don't get the franchise tag? So, Kirk Cousins isn't franchise quarterback material?

No, my point is when a truly elite qb like a Manning or Brees has their contract about to expire, they get exclusive franchise tags. I assume Kirk will get a non-exclusive tag just because that's what they did last year. If they don't even want to entertain offers he will get the exclusive tag though.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

No, my point is when a truly elite qb like a Manning or Brees has their contract about to expire, they get exclusive franchise tags. I assume Kirk will get a non-exclusive tag just because that's what they did last year. If they don't even want to entertain offers he will get the exclusive tag though.

OK. That I agree with. Either way I think he gets tagged. Is it the smartest move to make on Cousins? I dunno? There is some doubt with Cousins, but there's also doubt with anybody not named Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees. Cousins is a good enough quarterback. Mark Rypien was never elite, nor did I ever really think of him as a franchise quarterback, yet he had that one masterful year that ended in a Super Bowl victory and him as Super Bowl MVP. Right now, we Redskins fans would most certainly welcome at least ONE Super Bowl winning year.

With the history of this franchise since the 80's, we've won Super Bowls based on a well-rounded team, not just a super star quarterback. In fact, I don't really believe we have ever had an elite quarterback since the 70's, so winning Super Bowls with a good quarterback (but not great) is OK with me so as long as we get there.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by metalskins

OK. That I agree with. Either way I think he gets tagged. Is it the smartest move to make on Cousins? I dunno? There is some doubt with Cousins, but there's also doubt with anybody not named Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees. Cousins is a good enough quarterback. Mark Rypien was never elite, nor did I ever really think of him as a franchise quarterback, yet he had that one masterful year that ended in a Super Bowl victory and him as Super Bowl MVP. Right now, we Redskins fans would most certainly welcome at least ONE Super Bowl winning year.

With the history of this franchise since the 80's, we've won Super Bowls based on a well-rounded team, not just a super star quarterback. In fact, I don't really believe we have ever had an elite quarterback since the 70's, so winning Super Bowls with a good quarterback (but not great) is OK with me so as long as we get there.

Is it the smartest move? When the probable alternative is every qb since Rypien not named Brad Johnson yes it is IMO. Maybe if we had Phillip Rivers waiting in the wings I'd let him walk.

Here's your options if you're the FO:

A. Resign Kirk, AAV around 25 mil a year probably, still have plenty of room to improve the team elsewhere.
B. Start career backup Colt McCoy, or that long term project car rebuild named Nate Sudfeld and pray he's the next Brady.
C. Draft a qb. out of this weak draft class, potentially moving up to get the one you want or settling for a weak option you feel that you have no choice but to get because you don't want to waste a season with a hole at qb. Either way, most likely you are wasting the next 2+ seasons as he learns how difficult it is being a qb in the modern NFL.
D. Trade for or sign another qb. Note that most available qb's already in the NFL are being discarded by their current teams because they aren't good enough for one reason or another.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

No I meant more along the lines of a true franchise qb, like a Manning or a Brees. I like Kirk, don't get me wrong, but there were still doubts last offseason about him being a true franchise qb, and Matt Cassel was decent in '09 (iirc correctly that was the year he was coming off the 11-5 season for the Pats) but he wasn't "elite qb decent."

I figured that's what you meant. Like if there is no doubt, you take no chances of losing him.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I figured that's what you meant. Like if there is no doubt, you take no chances of losing him.

Exactly. I'm not positive they like Kirk that much though.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Exactly. I'm not positive they like Kirk that much though.

They should.....

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

They should.....

I agree. There are clearly no other options that are even close to what Kirk can do. I do think there's some truth to the idea that Dan isn't Kirk's biggest fan though. Hopefully the people around him will be able to convince him to sign the check though, we already have enough holes to fill.