Raiders get Richard Seymour?

Dirtbag59 · 09-06-2009, 11:57 AM

New England Patriots deal Richard Seymour to Oakland Raiders - ESPN

No idea how this deal came about.

MTK · 09-06-2009, 12:00 PM

Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one.

That could easily be a top 10 pick.

GMScud · 09-06-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one.

That could easily be a top 10 pick.

Yup. Total panic move. Their defense has been a joke all preseason. I guess adding a DE on the wrong side of 30 who hasn't been himself for a few years is the answer. Especially for a 1st round pick.

I'm jealous of the Patriots FO. They're super smart.

JoeRedskin · 09-06-2009, 12:05 PM

Is he still a very good player? Yes. Is he worth the first pick in the draft next year (which the pick may very well be)? No.

On top of that, this is the last year of the contract. Imagine if they lose him to FA (who knows maybe he's franchised, don't know the status of their FA class next year). If they do, at draft time, they could have lost the top pick in the draft for a player not on their roster.

Earth to Al, Earth to Al.

NYCskinfan82 · 09-06-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one.

That could easily be a top 10 pick.

Oh yeah, NE didn't even have to buy the Raiders a drink. What were they thinking oh that's right it's Al Davis Raiders they aren't thinking. I love Dan Snyder he might do some crazy things but it's always for the better of the Redskins.

GTripp0012 · 09-06-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wow the Raiders got bent over in this one.

That could easily be a top 10 pick.

With that in mind, I think it was smart that they went with a 2011 first round pick. Because, in all probability, they'll probably be picking in the top ten this season. Next year, though, there's a good chance it will be a middle of the round pick.

Still, Seymour's value at this point is like late-first round, early second round stuff, but the Raiders make some of that back money wise. For a franchise that doesn't have a lot of money, getting Seymour while the Pats pay his bonuses isn't a bad deal.

With that said, he's about 2 years removed from being a dominant player, but about 2 years younger than the traditional Raiders over-the-hill veteran acquisition.

GTripp0012 · 09-06-2009, 12:17 PM

The biggest problem I have with this trade is, um, where does he play in Oakland's defense? Nose tackle?

53Fan · 09-06-2009, 12:24 PM

He's 29 years old, he'll be 30 in October and he had 52 tackles and 8 sacks last year. He's probably got a couple of good years or so left in him and as GTripp pointed out, the Raiders may pick a little lower by the 2011 draft. But once again the Pats pick up a good pick and by 2011 everyone will be wondering how the hell they do it.

NYCskinfan82 · 09-06-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

He's 29 years old, he'll be 30 in October and he had 52 tackles and 8 sacks last year. He's probably got a couple of good years or so left in him and as GTripp pointed out, the Raiders may pick a little lower by the 2011 draft. But once again the Pats pick up a good pick and by 2011 everyone will be wondering how the hell they do it.

I swear they say the cowgurls is America's team, NE must be Gods cause teams are throwing picks at them.

44Deezel · 09-06-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Yup. Total panic move. Their defense has been a joke all preseason. I guess adding a DE on the wrong side of 30 who hasn't been himself for a few years is the answer. Especially for a 1st round pick.

I'm jealous of the Patriots FO. They're super smart.

I think He's 29

44Deezel · 09-06-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

He's 29 years old, he'll be 30 in October and he had 52 tackles and 8 sacks last year. He's probably got a couple of good years or so left in him and as GTripp pointed out, the Raiders may pick a little lower by the 2011 draft. But once again the Pats pick up a good pick and by 2011 everyone will be wondering how the hell they do it.

They don't fall in love with players. It's all business. Respect.

CRedskinsRule · 09-06-2009, 12:36 PM

What a crazy trade. I am sorry, but Al, if he was behind this, has totally lost it. And New England comes off looking super smart. The way Al is running the Raiders, that pick is going to be in the top 3.

I find myself wishing we could have convinced Al of Montgomery's greatness

GTripp0012 · 09-06-2009, 12:37 PM

Well, I'm trying to think of the Redskins equivalent for this trade. We would all trade Corneilus Griffin tomorrow if we could get a first round pick for him, but that doesn't quite add up.

I guess the closest thing to this trade: would you trade London Fletcher tomorrow for a 2011 first round pick? I don't think I would. Not that it wouldn't be a good value, but the value of that 2011 pick to this franchise declines severely if our defense sucks this year. Would our defense suck without Fletch? Probably not, but I wouldn't want to risk it.

skinsfan69 · 09-06-2009, 12:48 PM

Not sure what NE is thinking on this one.

NYCskinfan82 · 09-06-2009, 12:55 PM

That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.

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JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Raiders get Richard Seymour? Is he still a very good player? Yes. Is he worth the first pick in the draft next year (which the pick may very well be)? No. On top of that, this is the last year of the contract. Imagine if they lose him to FA (who knows maybe he's franchised, don't know the status of their FA class next year). If they do, at draft time, they could have lost the top pick in the draft for a player not on their roster. Earth to Al, Earth to Al. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Raiders get Richard Seymour? The biggest problem I have with this trade is, um, where does he play in Oakland's defense? Nose tackle? __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Raiders get Richard Seymour? He's 29 years old, he'll be 30 in October and he had 52 tackles and 8 sacks last year. He's probably got a couple of good years or so left in him and as GTripp pointed out, the Raiders may pick a little lower by the 2011 draft. But once again the Pats pick up a good pick and by 2011 everyone will be wondering how the hell they do it. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

09-06-2009, 12:36 PM	#12
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,532	Re: Raiders get Richard Seymour? What a crazy trade. I am sorry, but Al, if he was behind this, has totally lost it. And New England comes off looking super smart. The way Al is running the Raiders, that pick is going to be in the top 3. I find myself wishing we could have convinced Al of Montgomery's greatness

09-06-2009, 12:37 PM	#13
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Raiders get Richard Seymour? Well, I'm trying to think of the Redskins equivalent for this trade. We would all trade Corneilus Griffin tomorrow if we could get a first round pick for him, but that doesn't quite add up. I guess the closest thing to this trade: would you trade London Fletcher tomorrow for a 2011 first round pick? I don't think I would. Not that it wouldn't be a good value, but the value of that 2011 pick to this franchise declines severely if our defense sucks this year. Would our defense suck without Fletch? Probably not, but I wouldn't want to risk it. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

09-06-2009, 12:48 PM	#14
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,378	Re: Raiders get Richard Seymour? Not sure what NE is thinking on this one.

09-06-2009, 12:55 PM	#15
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 55 Posts: 3,803	Re: Raiders get Richard Seymour? That's why you can't get mad at players when at contract time they want the most money possible, I beleive he has 3 SB rings with them and now he's traded imagine his reaction to that. There always screaming players should show loyalty to their team but what about the team showing loyalty to the player.

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