Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

MTK · 02-12-2008, 03:04 PM

Not sure what to make of this, but check it out for yourself, seems very contrary to everything we've seen on Zorn so far... sounds like some douche with an axe to grind if you ask me:

Jim Zorn to the Redskins: Probably the worst NFL hire of all-time - Talking Points with Tim Kawakami - San Jose Mercury News sports blog

QBall · 02-12-2008, 03:09 PM

Jim Zorn, Redskins

Zorn

Why he might succeed: Zorn's the best bet to have immediate success and the reason for that has nothing to do with his abilities. Zorn is inheriting a playoff team that got hot in the second half of last season. Joe Gibbs did a nice job of assembling a talented roster and the Redskins were smart to keep most of his coaching staff in place. Zorn also is expected to work well with Vinny Cerrato, who runs the front office. Lot of the parts of a contender are already in place.

The guy who wrote that negative Zorn article wanted us to hire Mike Singletary, no thanks.

MTK · 02-12-2008, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QBall

Jim Zorn, Redskins

Zorn

Why he might succeed: Zorn's the best bet to have immediate success and the reason for that has nothing to do with his abilities. Zorn is inheriting a playoff team that got hot in the second half of last season. Joe Gibbs did a nice job of assembling a talented roster and the Redskins were smart to keep most of his coaching staff in place. Zorn also is expected to work well with Vinny Cerrato, who runs the front office. Lot of the parts of a contender are already in place.

Where's this from?

redwagonskins · 02-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Um, aside from the obvious ire that the article will produce around here, can't Spurrier be tagged as a "worse" hire?

dcweldon · 02-12-2008, 03:11 PM

"That’s the problem. It’s OK to hire a head coach without previous play-calling/coordinating experience–Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, John Madden, Jon Gruden (I think) hadn’t yet been coordinators when they were hired as head coaches. The difference: They were all universally believed to be capable of coordinating and on the path to head-coach land.
Not Zorn. Nobody thought that. Whatever nice things they’re saying in Seattle, I can tell you, privately they were not saying those things about Zorn before he left."

A quote from the article, what are his sources on nobody thought he could be a coordinator? i hate writers who are jerks who just write whatever they want.

QBall · 02-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Where's this from?

ESPN - Mystery Men: New head coaches share unheralded backgrounds - NFL

Our friends at ESPN are analyzing the recent trend in coaching hires.

redwagonskins · 02-12-2008, 03:15 PM

From the article:

"Worse: Nobody in the NFL had ever thought that Zorn should be considered as a coordinator–a coordinator!–until Snyder and his pal Vinny Cerrato came up with that idea."

Well, somebody liked the guy being on he was on at least 2 prospective coaches short list for OC.

From the article:

"I talked to Zorn when he was first getting into coaching on the Seahawks staff and I can tell you that, if first impressions mean anything–and they do–I walked away from that interview thinking, This guy shouldn’t be anywhere near an NFL sideline."

Well, he managed to stick around since 1998 in the NFL so he couldn't be that ridiculously stupid.

From the article:

"Zorn is the worst: Least prepared, worst communicator, most obvious risk for total failure, right from Day 1."

Well, I don't know how even measure that.

I guess in the final analysis: Tim Kawakami = Douchebag

redwagonskins · 02-12-2008, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcweldon

"That’s the problem. It’s OK to hire a head coach without previous play-calling/coordinating experience–Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, John Madden, Jon Gruden (I think) hadn’t yet been coordinators when they were hired as head coaches. The difference: They were all universally believed to be capable of coordinating and on the path to head-coach land.
Not Zorn. Nobody thought that. Whatever nice things they’re saying in Seattle, I can tell you, privately they were not saying those things about Zorn before he left."

A quote from the article, what are his sources on nobody thought he could be a coordinator? i hate writers who are jerks who just write whatever they want.

Well, it is his blog so that's his prerogative but talk about destroying any credibility you have as a "journalist". I'd love to hear who these insiders are...his brother, some guy on a 49ers message board....who?

By the way, scroll down to the replies he is getting to the blog...priceless.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 02-12-2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure what to make of this, but check it out for yourself, seems very contrary to everything we've seen on Zorn so far... sounds like some douche with an axe to grind if you ask me:

Jim Zorn to the Redskins: Probably the worst NFL hire of all-time - Talking Points with Tim Kawakami - San Jose Mercury News sports blog

and Kawakami is Japanese for 'tool':cheeky-sm

QBall · 02-12-2008, 03:19 PM

ESPN - Smith, Mitchell in focus for Redskins - Hashmarks by Matt Mosley

Staff coming together.

birdz4gibbs · 02-12-2008, 03:20 PM

the more i hear the media talking like this is the worst thing yet i think this will be a solid hire and like others in here give zorn a shot i think it just might workout for us. escpecially those fine folks over at espn who call themselves experts..they are like all the others jumping to conclusions on just about everything related to football and everything else for that matter.
so zorn for president .......i like the hire too.everybody has an opinion.

skinsfan_nn · 02-12-2008, 03:29 PM

Opinions are like assholes everybodys got one, whoever this guy is his means nothing to me. However, I don't see how ANYONE with more than a single digit IQ can say its the WORST hire ever in the NFL, the man hasn't even coached a game yet?

Zorn has a job to do and just has to get it done, plain and simple. Only time will tell.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 02-12-2008, 03:31 PM

I think this section of the article says it all:

"The Zorn I talked to was over-emotional, antsy, defensive and very short on the ability to communicate general NFL knowledge–and I was just doing a soft story on the Seahawks during the off-season, so it wasn’t like I was plumbing the depths of intricate analysis."

Zorn probably thought he had an interview with a real sportswriter and this idiot showed up. Zorn was short with him and he got his feelings hurt. GET OVER IT. Well I guess the saying is true; "Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned."

SmootSmack · 02-12-2008, 03:41 PM

Definitely seems like he has some sort of personal vendetta against Zorn...either that, or he's trying to get Sally Jenkins in the sack.

skinsfan69 · 02-12-2008, 03:51 PM

Only time will tell whether or not he's going to be a good HC. I'd would've rather had Fassel than Zorn. Hiring a HC w/out HC or OC experience is risk. Now we're about to hire a OC that's never even called plays? So we could potentially have a HC and an OC that's never called plays in the NFL?? Sigh...... Sorry but Fassel looks really good right about now.

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QBall Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 351	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? Jim Zorn, Redskins Zorn Why he might succeed: Zorn's the best bet to have immediate success and the reason for that has nothing to do with his abilities. Zorn is inheriting a playoff team that got hot in the second half of last season. Joe Gibbs did a nice job of assembling a talented roster and the Redskins were smart to keep most of his coaching staff in place. Zorn also is expected to work well with Vinny Cerrato, who runs the front office. Lot of the parts of a contender are already in place. The guy who wrote that negative Zorn article wanted us to hire Mike Singletary, no thanks. __________________ IT WAS THE TIME OF THE PREACHER.............IN THE YEAR OF 01'. NOW THAT THE LESSON IS OVER, THE KILLINGS BEGUN.......

02-12-2008, 03:10 PM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? Um, aside from the obvious ire that the article will produce around here, can't Spurrier be tagged as a "worse" hire?

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dcweldon Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA/Easton, MD Age: 38 Posts: 65	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? "That’s the problem. It’s OK to hire a head coach without previous play-calling/coordinating experience–Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, John Madden, Jon Gruden (I think) hadn’t yet been coordinators when they were hired as head coaches. The difference: They were all universally believed to be capable of coordinating and on the path to head-coach land. Not Zorn. Nobody thought that. Whatever nice things they’re saying in Seattle, I can tell you, privately they were not saying those things about Zorn before he left." A quote from the article, what are his sources on nobody thought he could be a coordinator? i hate writers who are jerks who just write whatever they want.

02-12-2008, 03:15 PM	#7
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? From the article: "Worse: Nobody in the NFL had ever thought that Zorn should be considered as a coordinator–a coordinator!–until Snyder and his pal Vinny Cerrato came up with that idea." Well, somebody liked the guy being on he was on at least 2 prospective coaches short list for OC. From the article: "I talked to Zorn when he was first getting into coaching on the Seahawks staff and I can tell you that, if first impressions mean anything–and they do–I walked away from that interview thinking, This guy shouldn’t be anywhere near an NFL sideline." Well, he managed to stick around since 1998 in the NFL so he couldn't be that ridiculously stupid. From the article: "Zorn is the worst: Least prepared, worst communicator, most obvious risk for total failure, right from Day 1." Well, I don't know how even measure that. I guess in the final analysis: Tim Kawakami = Douchebag

02-12-2008, 03:19 PM	#10
QBall Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 351	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? ESPN - Smith, Mitchell in focus for Redskins - Hashmarks by Matt Mosley Staff coming together. __________________ IT WAS THE TIME OF THE PREACHER.............IN THE YEAR OF 01'. NOW THAT THE LESSON IS OVER, THE KILLINGS BEGUN.......

02-12-2008, 03:20 PM	#11
birdz4gibbs Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 370	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? the more i hear the media talking like this is the worst thing yet i think this will be a solid hire and like others in here give zorn a shot i think it just might workout for us. escpecially those fine folks over at espn who call themselves experts..they are like all the others jumping to conclusions on just about everything related to football and everything else for that matter. so zorn for president .......i like the hire too.everybody has an opinion. __________________ **go skins*****

02-12-2008, 03:29 PM	#12
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 60 Posts: 4,495	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? Opinions are like assholes everybodys got one, whoever this guy is his means nothing to me. However, I don't see how ANYONE with more than a single digit IQ can say its the WORST hire ever in the NFL, the man hasn't even coached a game yet? Zorn has a job to do and just has to get it done, plain and simple. Only time will tell. __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

02-12-2008, 03:31 PM	#13
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,347	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? I think this section of the article says it all: "The Zorn I talked to was over-emotional, antsy, defensive and very short on the ability to communicate general NFL knowledge–and I was just doing a soft story on the Seahawks during the off-season, so it wasn’t like I was plumbing the depths of intricate analysis." Zorn probably thought he had an interview with a real sportswriter and this idiot showed up. Zorn was short with him and he got his feelings hurt. GET OVER IT. Well I guess the saying is true; "Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned." __________________ "I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

02-12-2008, 03:41 PM	#14
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? Definitely seems like he has some sort of personal vendetta against Zorn...either that, or he's trying to get Sally Jenkins in the sack. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,265	Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"?? Only time will tell whether or not he's going to be a good HC. I'd would've rather had Fassel than Zorn. Hiring a HC w/out HC or OC experience is risk. Now we're about to hire a OC that's never even called plays? So we could potentially have a HC and an OC that's never called plays in the NFL?? Sigh...... Sorry but Fassel looks really good right about now.

Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

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