Was Shanahan Wrong Deactivating Haynesworth vs. Indy

[skinsfan69]

It's funny when the defense REALLY needed a stop they played tight man to man bump and run and got off the field. Maybe something to think about Haslett.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Well we lost a 3 point game. (hopefully no one will argue this). If Al makes one big play, it could have made a difference.

We had one sack, you honestly think it would have hurt us to have a DPOY on the field tonight?

More power to you.

Welcome to The Warpath, Chad Speck.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Haynesworth doesn't make or break this game. It's amusing to throw out there DPOY and best talented player on the team, when the guy's had 1.5 great seasons (26 starts over 2 years from 07-08) and hasn't been worth the Charmin he wipes his butt with since coming to DC.

It is what it is. Would he have made a difference? Probably not, considering how fast paced the Colts offense is. He would have been sucking wind and taking plays off in order to catch up. We'll never know.

What did make a difference was the amount of missed opportunities and mistakes both sides of the ball had. Dropped INTs, missed assignments, lack of pressure, abandoning the run, ill-advised throws. These are things that this team needs to work on. Not whether one player plays or not.

We gave up we gave up 171 yards rushing on 28 carries for an average of 6.1 yards a carry., to one of the worst rushing teams in the league. We were manhandled. Haynesworth would not have made a difference? Really? That is like if we gave up 6 to 8 sacks during a game where our best Offenive lineman was on the bench injury free and then saying he would not have made a difference. That's just dumb.
You can not judge defensive lineman with stats like sacks and think you have a complete picture. Far example DE Carter had team leading 10 or so sacks last season but he sucks this year. Stats do not always tell the complete picture.

[MTK]

I honestly don't think AH would have made a difference. If anything, he would have been a huge liability against that hurry up offense.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I honestly don't think AH would have made a difference. If anything, he would have been a huge liability against that hurry up offense.

We agree to disagree, but when give up up 171 yards rushing on 28 carries for an average of 6.1 yards a carry, you are not going to win many games. Hurry offense or not.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We agree to disagree, but when give up up 171 yards rushing on 28 carries for an average of 6.1 yards a carry, you are not going to win many games. .

You really think he would have made a difference out there?? Guys that are actually in good football shape were sucking wind, just how effective do you think he would have been?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You really think he would have made a difference out there?? Guys that are actually in good football shape were sucking wind, just how effective do you think he would have been?

Who knows... he was not even active or in uniform.
You would think we are the first team to see the hurry up offense. We did not handle it well.
If the Hurry up is incredibly effective as you describe why does Manning only have one Superbowl win? The reality is Hasslett did not do of good job of preparing his game plan. He went light with very few DL and we got gashed in the running game.

[MTK]

The hurry up worked well against a D that is aggressive and uses a lot of different packages/subs.

For someone who doesn't know, you seem awfully convinced he would have made a difference out there.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Who knows... he was not even active or in uniform.
You would think we are the first team to see the hurry up offense. We did not handle it well.
If the Hurry up is incredibly effective as you describe why does Manning only have one Superbowl win? The reality is Hasslett did not do of good job of preparing his game plan. He went light with very few DL and we got gashed in the running game.

Plus he went into the game with only five DL active. Why on earth would you go into a game against a QB like Manning with only five D linemen? The point can be argued that Haynesworth may or may not have made a difference, but I maintain neither did the guys that did play make a difference. 179 yds. rushing is just unacceptable and brings into question the wisdom of anyone who says the team played well enough to win. No sacks, 479 yds total offense and a DL that looked as though they were playing hide and go seek for most of the game.

[SBXVII]

Ok, with out reading my psychic abilities tell me the coaching staff is being slammed for not playing AH and if we had we would have gotten better pressure up the middle and won the game.

I too feel the same way, but how much do they tweek the defense each week? I wonder if like the offense there is set plays and players have to line up specific ways but depending on how they tweek it might mean which way the DL blocks?

Offensively I guess the team looks at film and looks for weaknesses and game plans around those weaknesses. Instead of Moss running a slant maybe this week it's Armstrong or Cooley. Maybe the team see's a weakness on the right side so they practice all week blocking to the right more so then the left. I presume the defense does the same thing, and if AH is not around to learn the play calls and what he's supposed to do on each play then all he's going to do is get in someone elses way or screw up.

I guess it would be better to have him on the bench until he can be there from Mon. when they start going over game film and game planning for the next opponant vs. having him show up mid week when the game plan is already set and they are doing a walk through and he has no clue as to what his responsibilities are.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We agree to disagree, but when give up up 171 yards rushing on 28 carries for an average of 6.1 yards a carry, you are not going to win many games. Hurry offense or not.

46 of that did come on one play. Just saying

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Plus he went into the game with only five DL active. Why on earth would you go into a game against a QB like Manning with only five D linemen? The point can be argued that Haynesworth may or may not have made a difference, but I maintain neither did the guys that did play make a difference. 179 yds. rushing is just unacceptable and brings into question the wisdom of anyone who says the team played well enough to win. No sacks, 479 yds total offense and a DL that looked as though they were playing hide and go seek for most of the game.

Because perhaps the coaching staff felt Mannings pass ability was more important to stop vs. the run? cut back on the DL and throw in more CB's or safeties? I'm just guessing.

[takethecake]

I did see a handful of plays where doughty and kareem moore were on the field together. Was landry out there too/do we run plays with three safeties sometimes?



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[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

46 of that did come on one play. Just saying

So that makes it ok?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by takethecake

I did see a handful of plays where doughty and kareem moore were on the field together. Was landry out there too/do we run plays with three safeties sometimes?



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Yeah RD was playing LB in dime packages.