Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin, and Jack Del Rio were not OC's or DC's before getting their chance at being the HC. They all do have one thing in common though. They were all players first.

Wasn't Tomlin DC in Minn before becoming Steelers HC?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Wasn't Tomlin DC in Minn before becoming Steelers HC?

He was. Mike Tice was a line coach though

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin, and Jack Del Rio were not OC's or DC's before getting their chance at being the HC. They all do have one thing in common though. They were all players first.

Not to pee in your cheerios angry but:
Cowher was defensive coodinator of the chiefs 89-91.
Tomlin was defensive coodinator of the vikes in 06.
Del Rio was defensive coodinator of the panthers 01-02.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Not to pee in your cheerios angry but:
Cowher was defensive coodinator of the chiefs 89-91.
Tomlin was defensive coodinator of the vikes in 06.
Del Rio was defensive coodinator of the panthers 01-02.

I appologize for the misinformation. I was regergatating what I heard on NFL Total Access around the same time frame that I made that post. I should have referenced it deeper instead of taking the analysts words for it. My original point is null and void.

"I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the wrost. You're very good-looking. I'm not very attractive" (Happy Gilmore 1996).

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, how about asst head coach then? Or how about a HC at ANY LEVEL?

You don't hire the CEO of a company out of the mailroom. There is a reason people need to build experience...to ignore it is not wise.

I would respectfully disagree but the heck with it. I imply don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. You are speaking in broad generalities in which it seems apparently want to simply ignore facts and forget what you do know and what you don't.

I think anyone who wants to say this is a bad hire because he has never been a HC or OC before in the NFL is making a dumb argument based in no fact or reason. There is simply no eveidence that points to this being a bad hire. It is a completely unknown commodity.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I would respectfully disagree but the heck with it. I imply don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. You are speaking in broad generalities in which it seems apparently want to simply ignore facts and forget what you do know and what you don't.

I think anyone who wants to say this is a bad hire because he has never been a HC or OC before in the NFL is making a dumb argument based in no fact or reason. There is simply no eveidence that points to this being a bad hire. It is a completely unknown commodity.

To some extent you are correct, there is no evidence that points to this being a bad hire...why? Cause we are blazing a new path. Everyone that has been mentioned to this point (Reid, Cowher etc) have had more experience than Zorn before taking over. Zorn was never even a HC at ANY level EVER. The only time he was ever on OC was at Utah feakin St.
I was all for letting him be the OC...he earned that spot with what he did with Hasselbeck, but a HC spot he hasn't come close to earning.

I do fail to see where I have been speaking in generalities. If you have been following my posts, I have backed up most of them with facts and stats that most here didn't know.
I'm all for blindly following the skins and what they decide to do, hell I practically invented it this year, but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about when I have provided coach after coachs history and shown that we really are blazing a new path with Zorn. What we did was unheard of. I have tried to find any coach that has had a similar past and can't find it. (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I have left this question to everyone for days and no one has come up with a single person...Reid came the closest but he was assistant head coach.) Just cause you don't like what I am saying is no reason to call it a dumb argument. And to say I am ignoring facts...well sir, I have supplied fact after fact...unsure what "facts" I ignoring. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else, or you're looking in the mirror while talking, either way, you need to pay more attention to my posts, and not take them so personally cause I am unsure of this hire. I am more than willing to have constuctive banter with anyone about this subject, but no one has supplied any good reason this is a good hire minus what he did with Hasselbeck. Well, I have already admitted he will be good for Campbell...but as an HC?????

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

To some extent you are correct, there is no evidence that points to this being a bad hire...why? Cause we are blazing a new path. Everyone that has been mentioned to this point (Reid, Cowher etc) have had more experience than Zorn before taking over. Zorn was never even a HC at ANY level EVER. The only time he was ever on OC was at Utah feakin St.
I was all for letting him be the OC...he earned that spot with what he did with Hasselbeck, but a HC spot he hasn't come close to earning.

I do fail to see where I have been speaking in generalities. If you have been following my posts, I have backed up most of them with facts and stats that most here didn't know.
I'm all for blindly following the skins and what they decide to do, hell I practically invented it this year, but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about when I have provided coach after coachs history and shown that we really are blazing a new path with Zorn. What we did was unheard of. I have tried to find any coach that has had a similar past and can't find it. (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I have left this question to everyone for days and no one has come up with a single person...Reid came the closest but he was assistant head coach.) Just cause you don't like what I am saying is no reason to call it a dumb argument. And to say I am ignoring facts...well sir, I have supplied fact after fact...unsure what "facts" I ignoring. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else, or you're looking in the mirror while talking, either way, you need to pay more attention to my posts, and not take them so personally cause I am unsure of this hire. I am more than willing to have constuctive banter with anyone about this subject, but no one has supplied any good reason this is a good hire minus what he did with Hasselbeck. Well, I have already admitted he will be good for Campbell...but as an HC?????

Similar past? Well Andy Reid, but I know you don't accept that because of the title of Assistant Head Coach. Though who really knows what that meant. Could have just been a nominal title.

Mike Tice would be another example.

As is Mike Ditka, I'm almost positive

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'd honestly like to know WTF it matters whether a guy was a coordinator? Anyone have any reasonable explanation of why a HC HAS to have been a coordinator to become a good HC? HC is more about leading and less about game planning since you have an entire staff of people to do it. HCs give direction and lead. So I don't give one little bit of sh*t whether he was an OC and I think those that do don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Zorn is actually coming into a great situation. He has a very experienced staff to help him with the transition, including a former HC whom he will work very closely with just by the nature of the position he coaches.

I think some people are making too much of an issue over the fact he hasn't been a coordinator, or hasn't called plays in a game at this level or been in control of an entire NFL roster. Many things associated with being a HC for anyone who has never done it before becomes learning on the fly. I think his biggest hurdle will be dealing with the media on a daily basis.

[djnemo65]

I don't have a problem with kawakami criticizing the hire or the process. A lot of people have done that, they are entitled to their opinion, and while we all certainly hope they are proven wrong there were some strange things about the way it went down.

The problem I have is with him telling us that Zorn isn't fit to be a headcoach because he wasn't impressive enough the one time they met. What? So almost a decade of productive work means nothing because you thought a guy didn't cut a good first impression the one time you met him? That is ass stupid. He was probably, like me, just trying to figure out who the hell tim kawakami is.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I don't have a problem with kawakami criticizing the hire or the process. A lot of people have done that, they are entitled to their opinion, and while we all certainly hope they are proven wrong there were some strange things about the way it went down.

The problem I have is with him telling us that Zorn isn't fit to be a headcoach because he wasn't impressive enough the one time they met. What? So almost a decade of productive work means nothing because you thought a guy didn't cut a good first impression the one time you met him? That is ass stupid. He was probably, like me, just trying to figure out who the hell tim kawakami is.

Exactly! My thoughts as well.

[singlewing]

I think Zorn will do a good job. I'm glad to see that we have most of our draft choices this year. Someone at Redskins Park has seen the light. Maybe the lesson is learned finally. Monk and Green were our draft choices, not speculative free agent cast offs from another team.

[tdSKINS1]

I guess we will find out come August fellas

[hooskins]

LOL I love some of the responses on his blog. Well I guess he is doing his job as an opinion writer because a shit-ton of people are reading this article and talking about it.

[hooskins]

My favorite response:

# Whit Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

I’m really glad that I read this article because now I can save myself the needless pain and suffering of reading another one by you, Tim. Seriously, I won’t even bash your opinion, your pathetic use of words strung hopelessly together as sentences was enough to render the right side of my brain completely useless for the next 30-45 minutes. I’ve got some friends up in the Bay area who could recommend some really top notch sixth grade level writing classes for you, if you don’t mind a couple hours of homework each night and the occasional pop quiz.

Of course, what can you really expect from a guy relegated to a blog on the gold standard of American journalism that is The San Jose Mercury News. I heard Webster’s is going to name Tim Kawakami as a new synonym for irrelevant in their next edition. I don’t want to be mean, but I’ve read Myspace pages with more intellectual insight than this piece. Seriously, Tim, when your readership breaks into double digits, shoot me an email. I’ll send you a box of cookies and a one way ticket out of the zeroth dimension of sports journalism that you’re currently wallowing in.

[hooskins]

My post awaiting "moderation":

# hooskins Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
February 12th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

Tim,

People have summed it up quite well, but this is just a terrible article. I am a journalist and editor who understands this is an option based blog, but at least get your facts right. I am sure you are happy you are getting quite a bit of hits, so hey whatever gets at your jollies.

Mr. Mully,

Although I admire your defense for Tim here you cannot argue that this blog post was poorly researched. Simple Google searches show many in the NFL felt Zorn is up and coming. Also as pointed out Tim is 100 percent wrong in the fact that Zorn left coaching for a while. You cannot argue versus those points Mully, I am sorry.

As for the racist remarks, I agree they are terrible. But in your anger you yourself ruined your credibility by extrapolating your assumptions of racism to an entire fanbase based on a few comments. If you know basic statistics this is a ridiculous assumptions, because the sample size is clearly not statistically significant. If you want to talk about being fair and credible, you yourself must follow the rules rather than being hypocritical.

So basically Tim made blatant errors, which have nothing to do with this being a blog. Also you have made yourself look quite silly, and irrational. I look forward to any response from either you Mr. Mully or Tim, but I highly doubt either.