Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, how about asst head coach then? Or how about a HC at ANY LEVEL?

You don't hire the CEO of a company out of the mailroom. There is a reason people need to build experience...to ignore it is not wise.

I would respectfully disagree but the heck with it. I imply don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. You are speaking in broad generalities in which it seems apparently want to simply ignore facts and forget what you do know and what you don't.

I think anyone who wants to say this is a bad hire because he has never been a HC or OC before in the NFL is making a dumb argument based in no fact or reason. There is simply no eveidence that points to this being a bad hire. It is a completely unknown commodity.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I would respectfully disagree but the heck with it. I imply don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. You are speaking in broad generalities in which it seems apparently want to simply ignore facts and forget what you do know and what you don't.

I think anyone who wants to say this is a bad hire because he has never been a HC or OC before in the NFL is making a dumb argument based in no fact or reason. There is simply no eveidence that points to this being a bad hire. It is a completely unknown commodity.

To some extent you are correct, there is no evidence that points to this being a bad hire...why? Cause we are blazing a new path. Everyone that has been mentioned to this point (Reid, Cowher etc) have had more experience than Zorn before taking over. Zorn was never even a HC at ANY level EVER. The only time he was ever on OC was at Utah feakin St.
I was all for letting him be the OC...he earned that spot with what he did with Hasselbeck, but a HC spot he hasn't come close to earning.

I do fail to see where I have been speaking in generalities. If you have been following my posts, I have backed up most of them with facts and stats that most here didn't know.
I'm all for blindly following the skins and what they decide to do, hell I practically invented it this year, but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about when I have provided coach after coachs history and shown that we really are blazing a new path with Zorn. What we did was unheard of. I have tried to find any coach that has had a similar past and can't find it. (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I have left this question to everyone for days and no one has come up with a single person...Reid came the closest but he was assistant head coach.) Just cause you don't like what I am saying is no reason to call it a dumb argument. And to say I am ignoring facts...well sir, I have supplied fact after fact...unsure what "facts" I ignoring. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else, or you're looking in the mirror while talking, either way, you need to pay more attention to my posts, and not take them so personally cause I am unsure of this hire. I am more than willing to have constuctive banter with anyone about this subject, but no one has supplied any good reason this is a good hire minus what he did with Hasselbeck. Well, I have already admitted he will be good for Campbell...but as an HC?????

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

To some extent you are correct, there is no evidence that points to this being a bad hire...why? Cause we are blazing a new path. Everyone that has been mentioned to this point (Reid, Cowher etc) have had more experience than Zorn before taking over. Zorn was never even a HC at ANY level EVER. The only time he was ever on OC was at Utah feakin St.
I was all for letting him be the OC...he earned that spot with what he did with Hasselbeck, but a HC spot he hasn't come close to earning.

I do fail to see where I have been speaking in generalities. If you have been following my posts, I have backed up most of them with facts and stats that most here didn't know.
I'm all for blindly following the skins and what they decide to do, hell I practically invented it this year, but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about when I have provided coach after coachs history and shown that we really are blazing a new path with Zorn. What we did was unheard of. I have tried to find any coach that has had a similar past and can't find it. (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I have left this question to everyone for days and no one has come up with a single person...Reid came the closest but he was assistant head coach.) Just cause you don't like what I am saying is no reason to call it a dumb argument. And to say I am ignoring facts...well sir, I have supplied fact after fact...unsure what "facts" I ignoring. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else, or you're looking in the mirror while talking, either way, you need to pay more attention to my posts, and not take them so personally cause I am unsure of this hire. I am more than willing to have constuctive banter with anyone about this subject, but no one has supplied any good reason this is a good hire minus what he did with Hasselbeck. Well, I have already admitted he will be good for Campbell...but as an HC?????

Similar past? Well Andy Reid, but I know you don't accept that because of the title of Assistant Head Coach. Though who really knows what that meant. Could have just been a nominal title.

Mike Tice would be another example.

As is Mike Ditka, I'm almost positive

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Similar past? Well Andy Reid, but I know you don't accept that because of the title of Assistant Head Coach. Though who really knows what that meant. Could have just been a nominal title.

Mike Tice would be another example.

As is Mike Ditka, I'm almost positive

Ditka was assistant head coach for Landry for 9 years.

You are right (the first person to name someone BTW) about Tice. He was OLine coach for the Vikes before taking over on an interim basis when Green was fired.
Tice would be a good comparison...good job thinking of someone, I couldn't.

BTW, Tice was 32-33 with Minnesota, not good, but not bad.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Ditka was assistant head coach for Landry for 9 years.

You are right (the first person to name someone BTW) about Tice. He was OLine coach for the Vikes before taking over on an interim basis when Green was fired.
Tice would be a good comparison...good job thinking of someone, I couldn't.

BTW, Tice was 32-33 with Minnesota, not good, but not bad.

Are you sure he was assistant head coach? I thought he was just an assistant and special teams coach

By the way, it's like the 3rd time I've mentioned Tice

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are you sure he was assistant head coach? I thought he was just an assistant and special teams coach

By the way, it's like the 3rd time I've mentioned Tice

I remember an interview with Ditka talking about his coaching with Landry, and yes he was an Assistant Head Coach by his words. I'm sure he could have over played his position, but he was a vital cog in the wheel that was the dallas cowboys. Back then, the titles weren't as important anyway.

Have you seriously mentioned Tice that many times? My bad man, I don't see how I missed that. That was a good call.
Was there anyone else you mentioned that I missed?