Carson Palmer demands trade, threatens to retire...

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Here's a link to the article/blog post LTF has quoted

Carson Palmer Wants Out In Cincinnati; Redskins May Give Him A Call | Bet Big DC

I'm not sure where the author is getting the idea rumors have resurfaced...correction, where he is getting the idea legitimate rumors have resurfaced

Yeah, and those trade demands made by Ochocinco worked out well for him.

Not to mention the trade demands that were made by Corey Dillon before that. He was there an additional 4 years AFTER he demanded a trade.

I think once Cincy says they won't trade someone, their track record certainly confirms it.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Gotta love it when any Joe Schmoe can toss up an "article" and start rumors

For better or worse, it would appear that the name "Redskins" will be inexplicably linked to any potential QB availability as long as it's perceived an issue remains at the position. Touchy in deciphering the real from the imagined.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

For better or worse, it would appear that the name "Redskins" will be inexplicably linked to any potential QB availability as long as it's perceived an issue remains at the position. Touchy in deciphering the real from the imagined.

I think these rumors/speculations stem from more than a perception that an issue remains with the Redskins and their QB for next year and the year after that. It is much more than a perception; it's a fact.

The Redskins have Donovan McNabb "under their control" in the off-season. that is the way the Skins' FO wants to spin it - - but there is a nasty reality they choose to ignore. If they have McNabb on the roster at the beginning of the next NFL season, they owe him $10M for next year. $10M is what you may choose to pay your #1 QB; $10M is not what you pay the guy who you know from the outset will be your #2 or #3 guy (don't have any idea how the "evaluation of John Beck" went in the last two weeks of 2010).

So, there is a "problem" at the Skins' QB position. Do The Shanahans swallow hard and put McNabb back in as the #1 guy next year? I doubt there is enough Tobasco sauce in the country to make the amount of crow they would have to eat taste good. I really don't see The Shanahans and McNabb kissing and making up.

So there is the "problem" and it is not hard to perceive that it is there. No one knows how it will be resolved - - but until it is resolved one way or another it will be easy for any NFL observer to see the problem exists.

Please note, I have made no statements here as to whether or not McNabb gives the Skins a better shot at next year's playoffs than does Rex Grossman, John Beck and/or any hypothetical draft pick at QB who might fall the Skins' way. The"problem" everyone perceives is that the Skins have a big-name QB that they probably have to move. That leave a vacancy at the position...

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

So, there is a "problem" at the Skins' QB position. Do The Shanahans swallow hard and put McNabb back in as the #1 guy next year? I doubt there is enough Tobasco sauce in the country to make the amount of crow they would have to eat taste good. I really don't see The Shanahans and McNabb kissing and making up.

Yes, I think they should and will put McNabb back in as starter from Week 1.

He played well for the most part, except for his interception total, but we had a big play offense we have not seen since Spurrier's preseason and the last couple minutes of the Monday Night Miracle.


McNabb, like Campbell the year(s) before, took a beating from lack of protection. He ran out of trouble VERY well, better than he has for years in my opinion. But, any QB can only do so much on his own.

Rabach needs replaced ASAP. We may need to solidify the RT position. Dockery isn't fit for the scheme and will need to be demoted or replaced. The only lineman we can really feel confident in is Trent Williams. Our #10 pick needs to be used on the BEST lineman we can get, any position, but preferably a Center/Guard who can either replace Rabach or allow one of our guards who are natural centers to kick him to the curb.

Put a rookie QB behind Rabach and he'll have more INTs than TDs too.

Build up this line with the #10 pick and hopefully the second rounder too. Go after a FA...even Jared Gaither for a season or two. Hopefully Mike Williams can come back strong.

McNabb did have some setbacks in his transition from a polar-opposite offense under Reid, but he did show signs of being a QB we can win with...but now alone.

Don't forget, he wasn't the only Redskin on offense who was transitioning to a new system...they ALL were. Ask Derrick Dockery how easy is was. Even Cooley had a rough year with drops...perhaps his concentration was on the new routes or assignments?

Year 2 needs to be a continuation of Year 1. Don't give up after 16 games, that would be foolish and set us back to Day 1-Post Zorn again.

McNabb needs to keep progressing but needs protection too. He couldn't even be assured of the ability to drop back every play...at least once weekly, Rabach would tackle him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yes, I think they should and will put McNabb back in as starter from Week 1.

He played well for the most part, except for his interception total, but we had a big play offense we have not seen since Spurrier's preseason and the last couple minutes of the Monday Night Miracle.


McNabb, like Campbell the year(s) before, took a beating from lack of protection. He ran out of trouble VERY well, better than he has for years in my opinion. But, any QB can only do so much on his own.

Rabach needs replaced ASAP. We may need to solidify the RT position. Dockery isn't fit for the scheme and will need to be demoted or replaced. The only lineman we can really feel confident in is Trent Williams. Our #10 pick needs to be used on the BEST lineman we can get, any position, but preferably a Center/Guard who can either replace Rabach or allow one of our guards who are natural centers to kick him to the curb.

Put a rookie QB behind Rabach and he'll have more INTs than TDs too.

Build up this line with the #10 pick and hopefully the second rounder too. Go after a FA...even Jared Gaither for a season or two. Hopefully Mike Williams can come back strong.

McNabb did have some setbacks in his transition from a polar-opposite offense under Reid, but he did show signs of being a QB we can win with...but now alone.

Don't forget, he wasn't the only Redskin on offense who was transitioning to a new system...they ALL were. Ask Derrick Dockery how easy is was. Even Cooley had a rough year with drops...perhaps his concentration was on the new routes or assignments?

Year 2 needs to be a continuation of Year 1. Don't give up after 16 games, that would be foolish and set us back to Day 1-Post Zorn again.

McNabb needs to keep progressing but needs protection too. He couldn't even be assured of the ability to drop back every play...at least once weekly, Rabach would tackle him.

I don't think thats a far stretch honestly.. Shanny won't let 5 go unless we have a QB ready to go and I dont think they trust Rex enough

[MTK]

Sure DM could be back. The question is, is he worth the $$ over someone like Grossman, or possibly another veteran QB that would only be in place until a rookie is ready to play?

The Skins were smart to keep their options open with DM until week 1 of next season, but I still think the chances of him coming back are very slim.

[freddyg12]

I'm taken aback that there are even posts this morning about 5 coming back. It's of course possible, I am just surprised that anyone thinks it's realistic. After reading Buster's posts I thought about some athletes that said they were done w/a team, but eventually came back.

I can't think of any that had that much of a public airing of grievances w/an asst. coach like 5 had w/Kyle S. If all this were just about the benching then I would think McNabb could be back, but when his agent went public about Kyle S. ignoring his client's suggestions, etc., that really seemed to force the team to look for trading partners.

The one small chance of him being back is that Mike S. takes it upon himself to mend fences between he, Kyle & McNabb. If he decides he wants 5 as qb it will happen, but from what has gone down thus far I see no indication of that, and MS has said that he won't stick w/a player that's not right for the team just because of where they were drafted, or what was traded for them.

[SolidSnake84]

I dont think they should play McNabb, because as others pointed out, he is only a stop gap until the QB for the future is ready. McNabb has had his best days and he wont get better with us, he will only regress.

[TheSmurfs22]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I think it's time to finally let go of the love affair that redskins and fans have for other teams' players. Let's stop this and concentrate on primarily building through the draft and picking up undervalued and underrated free agents. It's time to start building the team the right way with relying on talent evaluators and the coaches to develop the players' skills once they get on the team.

~~~~~~~~~~

I could not agree more on all accounts. Time to end the love affair with players who are on the downside of their careers.
It has not worked for us yet so why keep beating a dead horse?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I'm taken aback that there are even posts this morning about 5 coming back. It's of course possible, I am just surprised that anyone thinks it's realistic. After reading Buster's posts I thought about some athletes that said they were done w/a team, but eventually came back.

I can't think of any that had that much of a public airing of grievances w/an asst. coach like 5 had w/Kyle S. If all this were just about the benching then I would think McNabb could be back, but when his agent went public about Kyle S. ignoring his client's suggestions, etc., that really seemed to force the team to look for trading partners.

The one small chance of him being back is that Mike S. takes it upon himself to mend fences between he, Kyle & McNabb. If he decides he wants 5 as qb it will happen, but from what has gone down thus far I see no indication of that, and MS has said that he won't stick w/a player that's not right for the team just because of where they were drafted, or what was traded for them.

Well, DM did sign a new contract even with the ongoing issues behind the scenes. It wasn't like these problems only popped up after he signed the deal. So I wouldn't rule out everyone smoothing things out in the offseason. But I do think more than likely he will probably be traded or let go.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yes, I think they should and will put McNabb back in as starter from Week 1.

He played well for the most part, except for his interception total, but we had a big play offense we have not seen since Spurrier's preseason and the last couple minutes of the Monday Night Miracle.


McNabb, like Campbell the year(s) before, took a beating from lack of protection. He ran out of trouble VERY well, better than he has for years in my opinion. But, any QB can only do so much on his own.

Rabach needs replaced ASAP. We may need to solidify the RT position. Dockery isn't fit for the scheme and will need to be demoted or replaced. The only lineman we can really feel confident in is Trent Williams. Our #10 pick needs to be used on the BEST lineman we can get, any position, but preferably a Center/Guard who can either replace Rabach or allow one of our guards who are natural centers to kick him to the curb.

Put a rookie QB behind Rabach and he'll have more INTs than TDs too.

Build up this line with the #10 pick and hopefully the second rounder too. Go after a FA...even Jared Gaither for a season or two. Hopefully Mike Williams can come back strong.

McNabb did have some setbacks in his transition from a polar-opposite offense under Reid, but he did show signs of being a QB we can win with...but now alone.

Don't forget, he wasn't the only Redskin on offense who was transitioning to a new system...they ALL were. Ask Derrick Dockery how easy is was. Even Cooley had a rough year with drops...perhaps his concentration was on the new routes or assignments?

Year 2 needs to be a continuation of Year 1. Don't give up after 16 games, that would be foolish and set us back to Day 1-Post Zorn again.

McNabb needs to keep progressing but needs protection too. He couldn't even be assured of the ability to drop back every play...at least once weekly, Rabach would tackle him.

McNabb is an injury risk(he did play hurt pretty much all season) and is not good enough in "just moving the sticks". You could cite lack of talent around him, but even with talent, he always had those balls in the dirt and missed some reads to wide open guys because he tried to force it deep.

[freddyg12]

Every Team In NFL Calls Bengals To Let Them Know They Don't Want Carson Palmer | The Onion Sports Network

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

McNabb is an injury risk(he did play hurt pretty much all season) and is not good enough in "just moving the sticks". You could cite lack of talent around him, but even with talent, he always had those balls in the dirt and missed some reads to wide open guys because he tried to force it deep.

I knew when we got him that Donovan was far from the QB he was with the eagles and when he was in his prime, but i honestly didn't envision DM playing so poorly here.

It can be blamed on alot of factors, but the one that most people seem to be missing is that McNabb has had his best day. People are still in denial thinking he can be good here, but most of the signs point to DM being like every other aging star QB. That is, his play suffers slight, but noticible decline, and regresses to the point that he is benched for a youngster...then retires if he cannot swallow his pride and continue in the NFL as a backup.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I knew when we got him that Donovan was far from the QB he was with the eagles and when he was in his prime, but i honestly didn't envision DM playing so poorly here.

It can be blamed on alot of factors, but the one that most people seem to be missing is that McNabb has had his best day. People are still in denial thinking he can be good here, but most of the signs point to DM being like every other aging star QB. That is, his play suffers slight, but noticible decline, and regresses to the point that he is benched for a youngster...then retires if he cannot swallow his pride and continue in the NFL as a backup.

Probably right. Still I think he's healthy enough & physically able that he could play at a pretty high level. I think a career's worth of bad habits has caught up to him, namely his poor footwork. He's always been an inaccurate passer, but w/age it's harder to compensate for poor form.

I also think this year was more than he bargained for in terms of preparation. He probably thought he could work at the same pace he did in Philly, but he had to learn a new system here. He may have underestimated his learning curve as much as the Skins overpaid for him.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Every Team In NFL Calls Bengals To Let Them Know They Don't Want Carson Palmer | The Onion Sports Network

This is complete bullsh!t there is no way this happened. To say he was called over 6 times just to confirm there was no interest B.S.. Then to say the C.F.L. didnt want him either is just weak no wonder he wants out.