sam bradford

[rbanerjee23]

Sam Bradford's had a pretty good year but let's see how the sophomore slump treats him. But woulda, coulda, shoulda ... no point crying over spilled milk. Question is should we draft a QB with one of our high picks?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Sam Bradford's had a pretty good year but let's see how the sophomore slump treats him. But woulda, coulda, shoulda ... no point crying over spilled milk. Question is should we draft a QB with one of our high picks?

We're slowly pushing ourselves into a corner in which we have to. Not to mention that the recent first round QBs have all been at least adequate for their drafters. We better grab one before it's too late.

Then again, maybe Slingin' Sammy Baugh is destined to be our only first round stud QB, and hence we shouldn't bother even then.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

We're slowly pushing ourselves into a corner in which we have to. Not to mention that the recent first round QBs have all been at least adequate for their drafters. We better grab one before it's too late.

Then again, maybe Slingin' Sammy Baugh is destined to be our only first round stud QB, and hence we shouldn't bother even then.

Before it's too late? Is the supply of franchise QBs out there running out? :cheeky-sm

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Before it's too late? Is the supply of franchise QBs out there running out? :cheeky-sm

I'd say there's only a little more than a third of the league has a "franchise" qb, so I would say they are hard to get. How much longer can we be bad enough to consistantly be a top 10 pick team? I'd say time is running out untill we reach a consistent state of mediocrity that prevents us from gaining a franchise qb for a long time.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinster

I'd say there's only a little more than a third of the league has a "franchise" qb, so I would say they are hard to get. How much longer can we be bad enough to consistantly be a top 10 pick team? I'd say time is running out untill we reach a consistent state of mediocrity that prevents us from gaining a franchise qb for a long time.

There are always plenty of quality QBs available outside of the top 10.

1/3 of the league has a franchise guy? I think we need to define franchise QB.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There are always plenty of quality QBs available outside of the top 10.

1/3 of the league has a franchise guy? I think we need to define franchise QB.

Agreed, because I'm not sure I would really classify Flacco and Cutler as franchise QBs

And Dirtbag can't understand why Whitehurst isn't on the list

I think I said it a few weeks back. I believe Bradford vs. Ryan could be the Manning vs. Brady of the next decade.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed, because I'm not sure I would really classify Flacco and Cutler as franchise QBs

And Dirtbag can't understand why Whitehurst isn't on the list

I think I said it a few weeks back. I believe Bradford vs. Ryan could be the Manning vs. Brady of the next decade.

Definitely could go that way

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There are always plenty of quality QBs available outside of the top 10.

1/3 of the league has a franchise guy? I think we need to define franchise QB.

A guy that can get you into the playoffs year in year out. How "franchisy" you are depends from year to year. Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer use to be a franchise QBs, now they be trash.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There are always plenty of quality QBs available outside of the top 10

true, but odds are that those guys don't hit as often. Since 2004 the only two franchise qbs I see not drafted in the top 11 are schaub, cassel, and rogers (no I dont count flacco or freeman...franchise qbs win games, not manage them)
The franchise qbs I see taken in the top 11 are roethesberger, manning, rivers, bradford, ryan, cutler (the guy gets hate, but had one bad year...he belongs), and possibly stafford (sanchez does not belong...he does not have what it takes).

I'd say having a top 10 pick is pretty important to getting a franchise qb...especially because Id say schaub and cassel are the two qbs on this list that I'd want least to be my franchise qb.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinster

true, but odds are that those guys don't hit as often. Since 2004 the only two franchise qbs I see not drafted in the top 11 are schaub, cassel, and rogers (no I dont count flacco or freeman...franchise qbs win games, not manage them)
The franchise qbs I see taken in the top 11 are roethesberger, manning, rivers, bradford, ryan, cutler (the guy gets hate, but had one bad year...he belongs), and possibly stafford (sanchez does not belong...he does not have what it takes).

I'd say having a top 10 pick is pretty important to getting a franchise qb...especially because Id say schaub and cassel are the two qbs on this list that I'd want least to be my franchise qb.

Well, you're dishing out a lot of subjective opinion here, and why is top 11 the cutoff, I thought we were talking top 10? Any why the small sample size of only going back to 2004?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinster

true, but odds are that those guys don't hit as often. Since 2004 the only two franchise qbs I see not drafted in the top 11 are schaub, cassel, and rogers (no I dont count flacco or freeman...franchise qbs win games, not manage them)
The franchise qbs I see taken in the top 11 are roethesberger, manning, rivers, bradford, ryan, cutler (the guy gets hate, but had one bad year...he belongs), and possibly stafford (sanchez does not belong...he does not have what it takes).

I'd say having a top 10 pick is pretty important to getting a franchise qb...especially because Id say schaub and cassel are the two qbs on this list that I'd want least to be my franchise qb.

Freeman has developed quite a reputation of being a 4th quarter comeback guy, and he also came close to put the Bucs in prime position for a comeback Atlanta a couple weeks ago, only to be stuffed because they couldn't punch it in with Blount.

This was in October:
Josh Freeman pulls off another fourth quarter comeback | ProFootballTalk

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinster

true, but odds are that those guys don't hit as often. Since 2004 the only two franchise qbs I see not drafted in the top 11 are schaub, cassel, and rogers (no I dont count flacco or freeman...franchise qbs win games, not manage them)
The franchise qbs I see taken in the top 11 are roethesberger, manning, rivers, bradford, ryan, cutler (the guy gets hate, but had one bad year...he belongs), and possibly stafford (sanchez does not belong...he does not have what it takes).

I'd say having a top 10 pick is pretty important to getting a franchise qb...especially because Id say schaub and cassel are the two qbs on this list that I'd want least to be my franchise qb.

I would not call Cassel or Stafford a franchise QB just yet. Not enough of a sample of great play.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinster

I'd say there's only a little more than a third of the league has a "franchise" qb, so I would say they are hard to get. How much longer can we be bad enough to consistantly be a top 10 pick team? I'd say time is running out untill we reach a consistent state of mediocrity that prevents us from gaining a franchise qb for a long time.

IMO, this is how the franchise QB landscape shapes up. (order doesn't matter)

Only the sure ones are included

NFC East
Vick, and that's it

NFC North
Cutler
Rodgers

NFC West
Bradford

NFC South
Brees
Freeman
Ryan

AFC East
Brady

AFC North
Rapistberger
Flacco

AFC West
Rivers

AFC South
Manning

12/32(or 37.5%), and I did not count guys like Eli, Romo, McNabb, Stafford, Sanchez, Cassel, or Schaub.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

IMO, this is how the franchise QB landscape shapes up. (order doesn't matter)

Only the sure ones are included

NFC East
Vick, and that's it

NFC North
Cutler
Rodgers

NFC West
Bradford

NFC South
Brees
Freeman
Ryan

AFC East
Brady

AFC North
Rapistberger
Flacco

AFC West
Rivers

AFC South
Manning

12/32(or 37.5%), and I did not count guys like Eli, Romo, McNabb, Stafford, Sanchez, Cassel, or Schaub.

I dont get how you can include Vick, Cutler, Bradford (after not even 1 year), and Freeman (even though im personally as high on him as i am Ryan) and not include Cassel and Schaub. Although, like i think Matty72 said i think there needs to be a agreed upon defition of franchise qb....

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I dont get how you can include Vick, Cutler, Bradford (after not even 1 year), and Freeman (even though im personally as high on him as i am Ryan) and not include Cassel and Schaub. Although, like i think Matty72 said i think there needs to be a agreed upon defition of franchise qb....

Don't ever use his full name in public!


Anywho; any one who thinks Flacco is a franchise QB has not really watched in the past two years. they don't lose becasue of him but they surely don't win becasue of him either. The guy is Switzerland.

IMO: A franchise QB is someone who can do this; "Joe Q is hurt and so is Ray Rice we need a TD in the last minute go out and get it for us." He can't do it and I believe he has only one winning drive in his career in his career when they have been down in the 4th.

Basically if Flacco goes down for the year the Ravens are still alive if Brady and/or Manning go down their teams are sunk; more so IND.