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re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
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Everyone knows he's physically talented; it doesn't matter because just like Ryan Leaf, he'll never get it.
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re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
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As for the fact that some people mature faster than others, you're right. Many recent QBs have displayed play-making ability early in their careers -- but, not all. Why? I don't know, but I'm sure that circumstances have some influence. Sounds to me like you don't think circumstances have anything to do with the development of JR.
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re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
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Also, who are these QBs who stunk it up and then proceeded to light it up later? And by "stunk it up" I mean play terribly, not so-so or "ok". Quote:
So what if the organization is dysfunctional, Russell could have been motivated by the simple desire to get back the starting job. A benching should be a huge wake-up call to the QB to play well or else. Even that wasn't enough.
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re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
I have to echo the sentiments that we're JUST bringing him in for a workout, nothing else. Relax people...
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You act as if the only thing that matters for success is a good QB. You act as if Russell just had to make the decision to be good, and they would have won the Superbowl, regardless of how bad the rest of the organization was.
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Re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
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You keep on citing flaws in talent evaluation, but you keep on missing what flaws you actually are citing and not making the actual connection between evaluating Russell and a Romo. The difference in the flaws regarding Romo, etc were a matter of overstating lack of physical ability and lack of popular media exposure. They had, however, the mental intangibles to QB in the league. Not just from a work ethic, but instincts like pocket presence, etc. The flaw in evaluating Russell's talent was overstating his PHYSICAL attributes and overlooking his mental areas. . People saw physical talent in Russell. They still do now. They didn't get that wrong. They WERE wrong that he would have the work ethic to pan out. As for actual MENTAL TALENTS, like pocket presence, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. It's up to him to prove he actually has the ability to go through his progressions, etc, AFTER shoring up his work ethic, IF he ever does. I'm pretty sure everyone was hollering that he was mentally talented too, but he hasn't verified that expectation either. I wasn't into football around 2007, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought Russell was going to be a sure thing. You're right that people didn't evaluate Russell correctly. Incorrect in the sense that they thought he was going to be any good. Quote:
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Vince Young woke up in part because of that and some other reasons.
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Re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
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But, NFL scouts missed on Russell because they thought he was more mature than he really is, and there is absolutely no way they could be wrong about it (now or in the future) because the reasoning is different? Quote:
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Re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
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They(or at least Mike Mayock) was right that he had a work ethic concern. And really, do NFL scouts do this much work for someone post draft? They're busy checking out that next year's draft class. When people are talking about JaFatcus failing or not, it the media and fans on message boards like us.
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