The Vick Factor

MTK · 05-27-2009, 02:52 PM

In 2-3 years the wildcat will be a distant memory. It's a fad offensive wrinkle, not something that will develop into a playbook staple.

DBUCHANON101 · 05-27-2009, 03:20 PM

The Single Wing is a great O -in youth football- It has been said that it is the father of the spread offense. If you look at the SW alignment and watch the UF games you will see many similarities. But back to MV, Roddy White was near bust status with Vick at QB,I dont want to see our drafted WR's suffer the same manner that White did.We need to have a passer whether its JC breaking out and doing the job or a FA/drafted QB next yr. I have to go with the term that a running QB historically hasnt done very well.

Paintrain · 05-27-2009, 03:33 PM

If we bring Vick in it cannot be as a starting QB, regardless of when it occurs. Anyone who considers this is just foolish.

However, I think he could be great as an 'athlete' whether it is in a Wildcat type of deal or a full house backfield (Sellers and Vick lined up behind the inside cheek of the G at 4 yards back, Portis or Betts lined up directly behind the QB at 6 yards back) or a wing T formation..

Giving him 8-12 touches a game to either run, throw or catch the ball would give defenses something to really think about.

I don't have any moral objections to bringing Vick in but it will be Shanahan's call next offseason if we are ever in a position to consider it.

DBUCHANON101 · 05-27-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

If we bring Vick in it cannot be as a starting QB, regardless of when it occurs. Anyone who considers this is just foolish.

However, I think he could be great as an 'athlete' whether it is in a Wildcat type of deal or a full house backfield (Sellers and Vick lined up behind the inside cheek of the G at 4 yards back, Portis or Betts lined up directly behind the QB at 6 yards back) or a wing T formation..

Giving him 8-12 touches a game to either run, throw or catch the ball would give defenses something to really think about.

I don't have any moral objections to bringing Vick in but it will be Shanahan's call next offseason if we are ever in a position to consider it.

WOW, So pretty much you are sayin this season is lost? Thats what will have to happen for Zorn to be gone and if he is gone then that means JC is also gone. Id like to see Zorn stick around, i believe he can grow into a good HC. ppl have mixed views of JC,im waiting on him to show me he can be the man.

Paintrain · 05-27-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

WOW, So pretty much you are sayin this season is lost? Thats what will have to happen for Zorn to be gone and if he is gone then that means JC is also gone. Id like to see Zorn stick around, i believe he can grow into a good HC. ppl have mixed views of JC,im waiting on him to show me he can be the man.

Not at all. I'm saying if we are ever at a point of considering it that means that '09 was a bust, JZ is out, Shanny is in and it's his call.

It was pretty much tongue in cheek, as most of my Shanahan references are since so many people are convinced the season is already over, in May.

dall-assblows · 05-27-2009, 03:51 PM

im opposed to the idea of mike vick, he never was an elite qb and never will be. Sure he can run but he is, or was, very inconsistant.

BUT, if there is anything positive about signing michael vick, the dog slayer it is that he has something to prove IMO... dont hate.

Everyone in this world deserves a second chance, EVERYONE.

WaldSkins · 05-27-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dall-assblows

im opposed to the idea of mike vick, he never was an elite qb and never will be. Sure he can run but he is, or was, very inconsistant.

BUT, if there is anything positive about signing michael vick, the dog slayer it is that he has something to prove IMO... dont hate.

Everyone in this world deserves a second chance, EVERYONE.

Dallas is home of 2nd and 3rd chances, let him go there. I would be very pissed if we signed him.

SBXVII · 05-27-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Dallas is home of 2nd and 3rd chances, let him go there. I would be very pissed if we signed him.

No big deal.....just make sure to flush more often.

DBUCHANON101 · 05-27-2009, 05:55 PM

^ yes it was

SBXVII · 05-27-2009, 07:06 PM

One or two trick plays are sometimes what takes a team to the SB. Gibbs in his first stint always had atleast 2 trick plays waiting to be used during a game. No one says you have to use them, but nice to have if the game is starting to swing against you or your team needs a spark.

I was never as fond of MV as a lot of people were. I too felt he ran way too much and failed to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. One writer may have pointed out his reason for doing so and that was cause he was only 5ft 9inch and had a hard time seeing over the O-lineman. I think Colt will have the same problem but for whatever reason he is the next Favre.

I don't think he would out shine JC cause of two reasons. One is cause he would have to get back into football shape and the second being he would have to learn the plays. JC has one yr in the same offense. Zorn can now put more plays in the book. I would have to think having to teach the coach's, then the players, then coach the QB's, and still be a HC for the whole team as well as build a workout program and schedule is a lot to ask. Everyone says the team is light yrs ahead from last yr so hopefully with the team having the basics down and putting more plays in and hopefully having more WR's to throw to plus a healthy O-line they will look a lot better.

No matter what talent wise I would have to take MV over Collins. MV is more mobile. plus again having one or two trick plays up the sleeve would keep defenses honest.

dirtythirty · 05-27-2009, 08:40 PM

I would like to see vick in a skins jersey. We would get to watch him play live 8 games a year! I wanna stick with JC this year though!

WaldSkins · 05-27-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtythirty

I would like to see vick in a skins jersey. We would get to watch him play live 8 games a year! I wanna stick with JC this year though!

We already have a QB that is average so why would you want another?

jsarno · 05-27-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WaldSkins

We already have a QB that is average so why would you want another?

Actually my friend, getting Vick would be a downgrade, and I'm not elevating Campbell to ANY lofty standard!

WaldSkins · 05-27-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Actually my friend, getting Vick would be a downgrade, and I'm not elevating Campbell to ANY lofty standard!

I totally agree. Where's Colt Brennan when you need him?

jsarno · 05-28-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I totally agree. Where's Colt Brennan when you need him?

I am still one that absolutely thinks Colt could be a good NFL qb. Just needs a chance.

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05-27-2009, 02:52 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: The Vick Factor In 2-3 years the wildcat will be a distant memory. It's a fad offensive wrinkle, not something that will develop into a playbook staple. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-27-2009, 03:20 PM	#2
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: The Vick Factor The Single Wing is a great O -in youth football- It has been said that it is the father of the spread offense. If you look at the SW alignment and watch the UF games you will see many similarities. But back to MV, Roddy White was near bust status with Vick at QB,I dont want to see our drafted WR's suffer the same manner that White did.We need to have a passer whether its JC breaking out and doing the job or a FA/drafted QB next yr. I have to go with the term that a running QB historically hasnt done very well.

05-27-2009, 03:33 PM	#3
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: The Vick Factor If we bring Vick in it cannot be as a starting QB, regardless of when it occurs. Anyone who considers this is just foolish. However, I think he could be great as an 'athlete' whether it is in a Wildcat type of deal or a full house backfield (Sellers and Vick lined up behind the inside cheek of the G at 4 yards back, Portis or Betts lined up directly behind the QB at 6 yards back) or a wing T formation.. Giving him 8-12 touches a game to either run, throw or catch the ball would give defenses something to really think about. I don't have any moral objections to bringing Vick in but it will be Shanahan's call next offseason if we are ever in a position to consider it. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

05-27-2009, 03:51 PM	#6
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 42 Posts: 2,211	Re: The Vick Factor im opposed to the idea of mike vick, he never was an elite qb and never will be. Sure he can run but he is, or was, very inconsistant. BUT, if there is anything positive about signing michael vick, the dog slayer it is that he has something to prove IMO... dont hate. Everyone in this world deserves a second chance, EVERYONE. __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

05-27-2009, 05:55 PM	#9
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: The Vick Factor ^ yes it was

05-27-2009, 07:06 PM	#10
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: The Vick Factor One or two trick plays are sometimes what takes a team to the SB. Gibbs in his first stint always had atleast 2 trick plays waiting to be used during a game. No one says you have to use them, but nice to have if the game is starting to swing against you or your team needs a spark. I was never as fond of MV as a lot of people were. I too felt he ran way too much and failed to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. One writer may have pointed out his reason for doing so and that was cause he was only 5ft 9inch and had a hard time seeing over the O-lineman. I think Colt will have the same problem but for whatever reason he is the next Favre. I don't think he would out shine JC cause of two reasons. One is cause he would have to get back into football shape and the second being he would have to learn the plays. JC has one yr in the same offense. Zorn can now put more plays in the book. I would have to think having to teach the coach's, then the players, then coach the QB's, and still be a HC for the whole team as well as build a workout program and schedule is a lot to ask. Everyone says the team is light yrs ahead from last yr so hopefully with the team having the basics down and putting more plays in and hopefully having more WR's to throw to plus a healthy O-line they will look a lot better. No matter what talent wise I would have to take MV over Collins. MV is more mobile. plus again having one or two trick plays up the sleeve would keep defenses honest.

05-27-2009, 08:40 PM	#11
dirtythirty Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: fredericksburg va Posts: 48	Re: The Vick Factor I would like to see vick in a skins jersey. We would get to watch him play live 8 games a year! I wanna stick with JC this year though! __________________ Dallas Sucks

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