The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[GusFrerotte]

Thrash is probably indeed toast as well as any WR that isn't Moss or Randle El, unless the latter two will be trade bait. Strange pick for a new TE. Guy is a beast, but we do need a S and a young CB real bad, so why "waste" a pick on a non necessity? Zorn must not like our depth a TE at all. Overall I am OK with today's events though. IF Cooley goes down we have a beast of a backup or even someone that can give Cooley some real competition. Moss is getting old and gets banged up too easy anymore. Still pissed at that fumble of his that cost us the Packers game and his nonchalant attitude about his crappy play that followed.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Maybe its just me, and maybe this is usually the case, but does anyone else find it odd that Zorn wasn't even at the draft? He also sounded surprised with some of his comments that we got the players we got...

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Maybe its just me, and maybe this is usually the case, but does anyone else find it odd that Zorn wasn't even at the draft? He also sounded surprised with some of his comments that we got the players we got...

Honestly, this guy is behind the scense drawing up and Xs and Os and still getting adjusted to his new gig. I think after this year, he'll be more active with the draft and that sort of thing. For all intent and purposes, he's a rookie Head Coach.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Maybe its just me, and maybe this is usually the case, but does anyone else find it odd that Zorn wasn't even at the draft? He also sounded surprised with some of his comments that we got the players we got...

Do you mean at the draft or with the Redskins at Redskins Park? Because if you are suprised that he wasn't at the actual draft, that's really no big deal, there aren't any head coaches who actually go to the draft, they usually just send 3-4 team personnel to New York to put the name on the card and notify the league who they are drafting. Everyone else, i.e. front office, coaches, DS, they are all at Redskins Park.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by mooby

Do you mean at the draft or with the Redskins at Redskins Park? Because if you are suprised that he wasn't at the actual draft, that's really no big deal, there aren't any head coaches who actually go to the draft, they usually just send 3-4 team personnel to New York to put the name on the card and notify the league who they are drafting. Everyone else, i.e. front office, coaches, DS, they are all at Redskins Park.

aaahhh...ok, yeah I didn't know. I guess its no big deal then.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Thrash is probably indeed toast as well as any WR that isn't Moss or Randle El, unless the latter two will be trade bait. Strange pick for a new TE. Guy is a beast, but we do need a S and a young CB real bad, so why "waste" a pick on a non necessity? Zorn must not like our depth a TE at all. Overall I am OK with today's events though. IF Cooley goes down we have a beast of a backup or even someone that can give Cooley some real competition. Moss is getting old and gets banged up too easy anymore. Still pissed at that fumble of his that cost us the Packers game and his nonchalant attitude about his crappy play that followed.

Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'

I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

One receiver alone cannot make an impact. All season we were limited in our WR's. Those games you speak of Moss did perform "average" but that was with another under 6' tall reciver who is not as fast as him on the other side. Moss is an asset and you will see that now that he has an opportunity to play without being double teamed. You cant pass judgement on him based on last season. I am almost certain you will be puting ketchup on and eating your post for lunch next season.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?

Yeah same here but I would rather get a DE, CB, and O-line in that order.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

My how times have changed around here. I remember not too long ago there was a thread about how Randy Moss was done and Santana was better.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

Are you an NFL scout? Or are you just a fan who evaluates talent and posts your views on the internet? If your house is made of glass......

I think Moss has the ability to be dominant when healthy. In those last three games you mention Moss had 15 catches for 271 yards. That works out to a 16 game pace of 80 catches for 1445 yards. I distinctly remember Moss making great adjustments on the ball on two passes thrown along the sideline in the Giants game. I should mentioned that Moss caught 3 balls for 75 yards (a 25 yard avg.) on a night when Collins barely threw because it was so windy. I also remember Moss making a great adjustment on the ball and beating Vikings CB Marcus McCauley for a TD.

Moss undoubtedly has the initial explosiveness off the line, the straight-line speed, and agility you'd like to see from a burner. Moss is excellent at adjusting to the ball. Moss' only real problem is that he has trouble staying healthy (which is, admittedly, a big problem).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Are you an NFL scout? Or are you just a fan who evaluates talent and posts your views on the internet? I'm not trying to be a d^&k, but if your house is made of glass......

I think Moss has the ability to be dominant when healthy. In those last three games you mentioned Moss had 15 catches for 271 yards. That works out to a 16 game pace of 80 catches for 1445 yards. I distinctly remember Moss making great adjustments on the ball on two passes thrown along the sideline in the Giants game. I should mentioned that Moss caught 3 balls for 75 yards (a 25 yard avg.) on a night when Collins barely threw because it was so windy. I also remember Moss making a great adjustment on the ball and beating Vikings CB Marcus McCauley for a TD.

Moss undoubtedly has the initial explosiveness off the line, the straight-line speed, and agility you'd like to see from a burner. Moss is excellent at adjusting to the ball. Moss' only real problem is that he has trouble staying healthy (which is, admittedly, a big problem).

That's the key point right there. People want to keep pointing to 2005 to say what Moss is capable of but the reality is the guy has serious problems staying on the field. ARE was also dinged at times last year and I think most agree he's best suited for the slot role anyway.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's the key point right there. People want to keep pointing to 2005 to say what Moss is capable of but the reality is the guy has serious problems staying on the field.

I wasn't attacking the Redskins' decision to draft 2 wideouts and a TE. I was simply disagreeing with the statement that Moss is an average receiver at best when healthy.