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[FRPLG]

I don't get the love for Cowher. Count me as firmly in the "he's overrated bigtime" group. I haven't one clue why everyone thinks he a savior. He was never a personell guy in Pittsburg and definitely has a Marty Schottenheimer feel to him. You that feeling that he really is only like 10-6 type coach who has trouble winning the big ones. He did get a SB but 1 in 12 years really isn't all that great. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a bad coach but I am not convinced he is as great as many would like to believe.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't get the love for Cowher. Count me as firmly in the "he's overrated bigtime" group. I haven't one clue why everyone thinks he a savior. He was never a personell guy in Pittsburg and definitely has a Marty Schottenheimer feel to him. You that feeling that he really is only like 10-6 type coach who has trouble winning the big ones. He did get a SB but 1 in 12 years really isn't all that great. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a bad coach but I am not convinced he is as great as many would like to believe.

Amen! Cowher is so overrated...he was somehow cleansed by that improbable super bowl run a couple years ago. He had so many high seeds go belly up at home in the playoffs. He is a total Shotenheimer except for that one playoff run. Good coach but nothing special. You listen to the media talk and its like Canton is preparing his bust...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by celts32

Amen! Cowher is so overrated...he was somehow cleansed by that improbable super bowl run a couple years ago. He had so many high seeds go belly up at home in the playoffs. He is a total Shotenheimer except for that one playoff run. Good coach but nothing special. You listen to the media talk and its like Canton is preparing his bust...

You could not be more wrong.
Cowher, 149-90-1 (.623%). Playoffs, 12-9, .571%
Schott, 200-126-1 (.613%). Playoffs, 5-13, .278%

While the regular season records are similar (Cowher has him by 10%), to compare him to Schottenheimer in the playoffs is beyond comprehension. It's not even close...and even if you take away the "improbable super bowl run" he's still 8-9 which is a TON better than Schottenheimer. Of course, you can't really take that run away, it wasn't a fluke, it was a matter of time.
Schottenheimer has had 0 super bowl appearances, 0 AFC/NFC championships. Cowher has been to 2 super bowls / 2 AFC/NFC championships. Also, Cowher has 9 Division Championships, Schott only 8 despite coaching in 6 MORE seasons.

ps- they ARE preparing his bust in Canton!

[celts32]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You could not be more wrong.
Cowher, 149-90-1 (.623%). Playoffs, 12-9, .571%
Schott, 200-126-1 (.613%). Playoffs, 5-13, .278%

While the regular season records are similar (Cowher has him by 10%), to compare him to Schottenheimer in the playoffs is beyond comprehension. It's not even close...and even if you take away the "improbable super bowl run" he's still 8-9 which is a TON better than Schottenheimer. Of course, you can't really take that run away, it wasn't a fluke, it was a matter of time.
Schottenheimer has had 0 super bowl appearances, 0 AFC/NFC championships. Cowher has been to 2 super bowls / 2 AFC/NFC championships. Also, Cowher has 9 Division Championships, Schott only 8 despite coaching in 6 MORE seasons.

ps- they ARE preparing his bust in Canton!

I will give you better then Shotenheimer but he's still overrated IMO.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by celts32

I will give you better then Shotenheimer but he's still overrated IMO.

Well, I am not going to disagree with you on that. Overrated means rated better than he is or was, and some here hold him on a pedistal of god like status. A football god he is not. He is however a VERY good coach, and a soon to be hall of fame coach. Just because he is Bill Cowher does not mean he will win you a super bowl, or take you to the playoffs every year. So I understand and agree with your assessment of overrated. (just not the Schottenheimer comparison)

[celts32]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I am not going to disagree with you on that. Overrated means rated better than he is or was, and some here hold him on a pedistal of god like status. A football god he is not. He is however a VERY good coach, and a soon to be hall of fame coach. Just because he is Bill Cowher does not mean he will win you a super bowl, or take you to the playoffs every year. So I understand and agree with your assessment of overrated. (just not the Schottenheimer comparison)

I agree he's good and maybe very good but the HOF should be for great coaches and he's not that. I do agree with you that he will get in some day though.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I am not going to disagree with you on that. Overrated means rated better than he is or was, and some here hold him on a pedistal of god like status. A football god he is not. He is however a VERY good coach, and a soon to be hall of fame coach. Just because he is Bill Cowher does not mean he will win you a super bowl, or take you to the playoffs every year. So I understand and agree with your assessment of overrated. (just not the Schottenheimer comparison)

He had a great career, I just think it's set up for him to come to DC and fail. He had nothing to do with personnel acquisition in Pittsburgh, and they were probably the best run team in the NFL during his tenure there. His team got hot at the right time in 05, and that's great, but he was thought of very differently before that: as a very good coach, not some kind of can't miss savior.