The Last Briggs Thread? Bears Say No Deal

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

The jury is out on how Campbell will progress this season, hopefully good.
Ramsey on the other hand, great arm strength. One shoot to the head to many under the Spurrier era. I think he's a lifetime backup.

Pretty much. If he's ever called on to start, he will perform mediocrely.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can see where they are coming from. IMO, Okoye is the one guy who is good enough to represent the 6th pick and not hurt our defense with a glaring weakness. Carriker is the other guy I would want, but doesn't represent the 6th pick.

I think that Gibbs is turned off by Okoye's age because of his preference for older players, but I also feel that his fears are unwarrented. Yeah, hes 19, but he also played 4 full seasons in college. That's some simply invaluable experience.

He's mature beyond his years, and he's the true once in a lifetime player in this draft. If I was GM of the Redskins, and I had the No. 1 overall pick instead of the 6th, and I was absolutely unable to trade out of it, I would take Okoye first overall.

That said, I could see why Gibbs might pass on him. And looking past him, the value of player available at No. 6 isnt very good for what we like to do.

So if we can trade down out of the 6th pick, I'd be all for that I guess, even if it costs us Okoye (since theres no guarentee we'd draft him anyway). But I'd be much more satisfied with extra picks than with a veteran like Briggs. This team is not short on veteran leadership. We need cheap, young guys to be able to bring along slowly that will be the heart and sould of this team three years down the road.

The best possible move would be selecting Okoye at 6, but there are a bunch of other good moves. Luckily, this Briggs talk is put to rest for now, so we can explore those other options.

You mention the fact we need cheap, young players to be able to bring along slowly that will be the heart and soul of the team three years down the road [unquote] I agree, but unfortunately that's not the Redskins MO, they have demonstrated since Snyder bought the team that they are a FA driven team, and so far they have not demonstrated any willingness to change from that direction.

Lance Briggs aside, It is my gut feeling that the player the Redskins really want to land in this draft is Calvin Johnson, and that's despite our current WR situation. It will be a travesty if holding the 6th pick in the draft we emerge without a starting caliber player that can impact our defense.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

You mention the fact we need cheap, young players to be able to bring along slowly that will be the heart and soul of the team three years down the road [unquote] I agree, but unfortunately that's not the Redskins MO, they have demonstrated since Snyder bought the team that they are a FA driven team, and so far they have not demonstrated any willingness to change from that direction.

Lance Briggs aside, It is my gut feeling that the player the Redskins really want to land in this draft is Calvin Johnson, and that's despite our current WR situation. It will be a travesty if holding the 6th pick in the draft we emerge without a starting caliber player that can impact our defense.

I certainly hope we do eventually come to our senses, and make the descission to trade down, and get at least one minimum starter for our defense, maybe better?

But with all this LB action, and it doesn't appear real clear that it's over by any strech. How do you think they could pull off CJ?
I don't think that's where we are leaning at all.

[4mrusmc]

This deal didn't make sense anyway. We gave up alot to get Rocky in the first place. Then we go out and get a short and old tackling machine in Fletcher. We already have Washington playing good at his position. Marshall is a good back-up at his position. One would think we are set at the lb position, with other needs to concentrate on. Hey front office, how about focusing on the fact that we cannot get to the damn qb, and force any turnovers. THE D-LINE NEEDS AN OVERHAUL!!!!!!!!!! If you wanted Briggs, you should have gotten him instead of Fletcher. Thank you Chicago for saving us from our selves.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

I certainly hope we do eventually come to our senses, and make the descission to trade down, and get at least one minimum starter for our defense, maybe better?

But with all this LB action, and it doesn't appear real clear that it's over by any strech. How do you think they could pull off CJ?
I don't think that's where we are leaning at all.

CJ is a Dan Snyder fantacy, It has been reported that he very much would like to be able to draft him (so would a lot of other teams) Not insinuating we're leaning there, but i do believe if Snyder could find a way to make it work he would. I disagree because I'm all defense myself.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

just draft a defensive lineman and be done with it redskins

[skinsfan_nn]

Chicago might end up wanting this more than we do?
Read the last paragraph. This thing could be FAR from over?

ESPN.com - NFL - Bears turn down draft swap with Skins for Briggs

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

CJ is a Dan Snyder fantacy, It has been reported that he very much would like to be able to draft him (so would a lot of other teams) Not insinuating we're leaning there, but i do believe if Snyder could find a way to make it work he would. I disagree because I'm all defense myself.

If Snyder is actually still pulling the strings to this extent, why on earth did he hire Joe Gibbs, make him team president, and give him control of all "football decisions????"

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Snyder is actually still pulling the strings to this extent, why on earth did he hire Joe Gibbs, make him team president, and give him control of all "football decisions????"

Cause he is Joe Gibbs. But that doesn't change the fact that Snyder is always going to be Snyder.

[vaoutlaws2006]

I didnt think this would really happen but i am relieved that we arent bringing that moron here.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Unless one of us can say we were there, I don't think any of us can definitely say what went down.

That was my point as we really have no idea who all was behind the trade. I have a hard time believing that if our coaching staff was totally against this trade that our FO would have persued the trade. The talks may have started with Snyder and Rosenhaus in some bar but if I'm correct the article I read also said Gibbs and the coaching staff had benn involved in the talks about the trade. I just get tired of people bashing the team, coaches, FO, Snyder that do not know "for a fact" what they are bashing him for is even correct. So if we are going bash them we should know the facts before doing so. Like you said we really have no way of knowing unless we were in the meatings so I stand by my first comment. People here have bashed the FO on the stupid rumors that have come from all kinds of sources about trade rumores that ended up just being rumors.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That was my point as we really have no idea who all was behind the trade. I have a hard time believing that if our coaching staff was totally against this trade that our FO would have persued the trade. The talks may have started with Snyder and Rosenhaus in some bar but if I'm correct the article I read also said Gibbs and the coaching staff had benn involved in the talks about the trade. I just get tired of people bashing the team, coaches, FO, Snyder that do not know "for a fact" what they are bashing him for is even correct. So if we are going bash them we should know the facts before doing so. Like you said we really have no way of knowing unless we were in the meatings so I stand by my first comment. People here have bashed the FO on the stupid rumors that have come from all kinds of sources about trade rumores that ended up just being rumors.

I agree.

I think some people are way too quick to jump all over rumors and take them as fact. Given the history of the way this front office operates it's understandable... to a point. But in the end all rumors should be treated as rumors until more info is known.

[warriorzpath]

Who initiated the deal ? ... who approved it ? ... who said no to the deal first ? ... what is being offered ? ... what is being counter-offered ?

I don't know if this is all spin generated by the agent, but if it is then it's working because I feel dizzy.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I like the fact that the FO said no to the deal once Chicago decided they wanted a player. I mean come on you guys are moving up 25 spots in the draft and getting rid off a disgruntled player, but now you want more. Not just more but one of our young players we drafted last year. Go blow me Chicago you should've excepted it the way it was instead fo trying to get greedy. Thank god it looks like we will be restraining ourselves from this one.

[freddyg12]

I'm glad we held our ground on not parting w/Rocky, but it does seem that the deal could get done if we offered another player. The only guy I would be happy about trading is Loyd, just don't think the odds are good that he'll be a good Redskin.

There will still some annoying things about this whole deal, even if the front office isn't ultimately to blame. Why did Gibbs & Vinny initially deny a deal had been offered? The way it's reported now, it appears that everyone involved acknowledges a deal was offered, yet we were still denying it a week or so ago. Just doesn't sound like a good way to do business. Again, I don't know if it's the FO's fault, maybe it was all on Drew R.

I have to think the odds are in favor of us acquiring Briggs, for better or worse.