The Portis move in hindsight

Southpaw · 12-08-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

skinsfan69 · 12-08-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

jdlea · 12-08-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

4.1 yards per carry for his career isn't exactly playing well. Niether are the 2 td's he's amassed this season...giving him 8 total for his career.

skinsfan69 · 12-08-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

4.1 yards per carry for his career isn't exactly playing well. Niether are the 2 td's he's amassed this season...giving him 8 total for his career.

Listen. I'm not saying Betts is better than Portis cause he's not. All I'm trying to say is that you can win with Betts as your starting RB. But you have to give the guy a chance to come into his own. Has Betts ever had the chance to be the full time starter here? No. He has only been a back-up. Players need to mature and sometimes it takes some players longer than others. That 4.1 yards per carry means nothing. When Portis came here he was averaging over 5 yards per carry. I know it's gone down since he has come here. Does that mean Portis isn't as good as he use to be? No. So don't judge a guy buy that stat. And the 2 TD's? He's not going to score as much as Portis becasue Portis has had the majority of the carries. Judge Betts TD totals at the end of the season.

Southpaw · 12-08-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

All I'm trying to say is that you can win with Betts as your starting RB.

I've said this before about this same subject... The Washington Redskins are 2-6 when Ladell Betts starts. What is your proof or even logic for that comment?

MTK · 12-08-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

I've said this before about this same subject... The Washington Redskins are 2-6 when Ladell Betts starts. What is your proof or even logic for that comment?

In all fairness the games he's started haven't exactly been when the team was firing on all cylinders. He's starting for a bad team right now.

Southpaw · 12-08-2006, 02:24 PM

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In all fairness the games he's started haven't exactly been when the team was firing on all cylinders. He's starting for a bad team right now.

That's all well and good, but how is that any different from someone saying that the Redskins can win with Patrick Ramsey? The numbers say that both of those statements are false.

skinsfan69 · 12-08-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

I've said this before about this same subject... The Washington Redskins are 2-6 when Ladell Betts starts. What is your proof or even logic for that comment?

Sorry but your point is not very good. How are you going to blame Betts when TB tramples our defense?

Southpaw · 12-08-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but your point is not very good. How are you going to blame Betts when TB tramples our defense?

My point isn't very good? You said that the Redskins can win with Betts, and yet, history has show that the Redskins lose 75% of the time when Betts starts. How is my point not very good?

And I blame Betts for the Tampa game for the fumble he gave away on a potential scoring drive.

jdlea · 12-08-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but your point is not very good. How are you going to blame Betts when TB tramples our defense?

Because Betts fumbled that game away

dgack · 12-08-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

I've said this before about this same subject... The Washington Redskins are 2-6 when Ladell Betts starts. What is your proof or even logic for that comment?

What's our impressive record when Clinton's starting?

18-19.

So I guess we can't win with Clinton Portis, either.

Oh, and BTW, the Chargers have gone 48-44 with the greatest RB of our generation and possibly all-time.

Thank you drive through.

Southpaw · 12-08-2006, 02:51 PM

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What's our impressive record when Clinton's starting?

18-19.

So I guess we can't win with Clinton Portis, either.

Oh, and BTW, the Charges have gone 48-44 with the greatest RB of our generation and possibly all-time.

Thank you drive through.

Uh, so the fact that the Redskins don't have a winning record with Portis makes a remark about the Redskins winning with Betts less ridiculous?

A lot of people around here like to see actual facts behind random off the wall comments, and I have no problem calling someone out when the comments are particularly silly.

If all it takes for a statement to be true is for someone to make the claim, then the Redskins can win with me as the starting strong safety. By your logic, that statement is true because they don't have a winning record with Archuleta at strong safety.

jdlea · 12-08-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Listen. I'm not saying Betts is better than Portis cause he's not. All I'm trying to say is that you can win with Betts as your starting RB. But you have to give the guy a chance to come into his own. Has Betts ever had the chance to be the full time starter here? No. He has only been a back-up. Players need to mature and sometimes it takes some players longer than others. That 4.1 yards per carry means nothing. When Portis came here he was averaging over 5 yards per carry. I know it's gone down since he has come here. Does that mean Portis isn't as good as he use to be? No. So don't judge a guy buy that stat. And the 2 TD's? He's not going to score as much as Portis becasue Portis has had the majority of the carries. Judge Betts TD totals at the end of the season.

Okay...Betts has 1 td in 3 starts. Portis played in 9 games and had 7 tds. Betts has played in all of those and scored twice. Clinton for his career is still averaging 4.7 a carry, so he really hasn't fallen off that much.

Also, Betts got here before Clinton, if he were so good he would have been the guy then. Part of the reason he never got the chance to start is cause, like I said, he CAN'T STAY HEALTHY.

Southpaw · 12-08-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

Except for the fumbles, missed blocks, and random injuries...

dgack · 12-08-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

Stats time again. Prior to this season, how many games has Ladell had at least 20 carries in a contest? Exactly twice. Twice in a four year span, twice in 48 games.

Not coincidentally (IMO), anyway, in both games he got 20 or more carries, he went for a hunny and hit paydirt.

In '06, he's had three games with 20+ carries, and went for 100+ in 2 of them. He made up for the Philly game in which he only got 83, by dropping 124/1TD on Houston earlier in the year on 16 carries.

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