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12-05-2024, 12:26 PM | #61 |
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Re: The Last 4 Years.
Reminder, the same people celebrating the cold blooded murder in NYC by a coward who shoots people in the back…these are the same people who celebrated gunman shooting teenagers at a music festival in Israel Oct 7, 2022; these are the same people who want 13 year boys to be chemically castrated without interference from there own parents; these are the same people who want a perfectly healthy baby to be killed up to its moment of birth; these are the same people who want to censor free speech
I don’t know what’s happened to liberals and democrats the last 15 years, but it’s been quite a fall. This started a long time before Trump, so can’t be blamed. But the outright support of political violence and murder on social media like Twitter/blue sky/tik tok; front page of Reddit, comments sections of CNN or yahoo…what are we teaching the next generation?
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12-05-2024, 03:58 PM | #63 | |
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Murdered Insurance CEO Had Deployed an AI to Automatically Deny Benefits for Sick People https://news.yahoo.com/news/murdered...175638581.html Just over a year before United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was murdered this week in Midtown Manhattan, a lawsuit filed against the insurance giant he helmed revealed just how draconian its claims-denying process had become. Last November, the estates of two former UHC patients filed suit in Minnesota alleging that the insurer used an AI algorithm to deny and override claims to elderly patients that had been approved by their doctors. The algorithm in question, known as nH Predict, allegedly had a 90 percent error rate — and according to the families of the two deceased men who filed the suit, UHC knew it. Though we don't yet know the identity of the person who shot Thompson nor his reasoning, reports claim that he wrote the words "deny," "defend," and "depose" on the shell casing of the bullets used to shoot the CEO — a message that makes it sound a lot like the killer was aggrieved against the insurance industry's aggressive denials of coverage to sick patients. Beyond the shooter's own motives, it's clear from the shockingly celebratory reaction online to Thompson's murder that anger about the American insurance and healthcare system has reached the point of literal bloodlust. As The American Prospect so aptly put it, "only about 50 million customers of America’s reigning medical monopoly might have a motive to exact revenge upon the UnitedHealthcare CEO." And the alarming cruelty of the claims around the company's AI algorithm — we asked the company whether it's still using it, but received no immediate reply — perfectly illustrates why they're so angry. chico, please show me proof that all these people are Liberals , Democrats , what proof do you have to your ignorant statement?
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12-05-2024, 04:00 PM | #64 |
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Oh I forgot, seeing G1 reminded me
These are also the same people who celebrated near fatal assassination attempts on Former President Hate filled folks And then G1 promptly post proof his support of killing a person who worked for a company he just heard about for the first time yesterday Liberals are so fucking brainwashed they don’t even see it
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12-05-2024, 08:14 PM | #66 | |
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12-05-2024, 09:04 PM | #67 |
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Have to ask these questions, since this thread is mainly about DJT:
Giantone, are there any of Trump's policies that you like? Chico, is there anything about Trump, from a policy or personal perspective, that you dislike? Do you think the 2020 election was stolen? Do you think Trump, aside from the court challenges, behaved appropriately from election day 2020 to Inauguration Day 2021? |
12-05-2024, 09:37 PM | #68 |
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This is the World trump supporters want. Do you agree with chico they are all Democrat's and Liberals or do you think a Republican could be pissed off or was maybe someone who lost someone do to shitty policy from their Healthcare provider?
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12-05-2024, 09:40 PM | #69 | |
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12-05-2024, 10:32 PM | #70 | |
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Not really big on Tariffs he put on China on some sectors. I completely understand the talk now is simply bargaining for trade deals. I was completely pissed by the pandering to Putin on world stage at press conference first term. Spending packages weren’t exactly inline with small federal government. I thought the Covid spending didn’t make sense when he sent checks to everyone. I think he missed opportunities in South America to rally against Venazula by partnering with other countries, but now he has a forward thinking leader in Argentina who has crushed all socialist economic theory to work with now. I don’t think 2020 was stolen per se, but without a doubt he had elements within the fed government working with big tech against the trump campaign. Trump lost the 2020 campaign due to Covid, he didn’t communicate well enough and didn’t rally folks the right way. Look, did he behave well enough? You have to remember, democrats and the media lied tried to remove him from office on 2 completely bogus events…Russian collusion hoax (which found nothing and was an false premise based on Steele dossier and democrat Alfa bank campaign hoax) and a phone call placed to Ukraine asking to research the possible corruption that Biden just pardoned his son for…? Ironic. What happens Jan 6 th was a disgrace, but trump asked for national guard which was denied by Nancy Pelosi as well as the Democratic mayor of DC. They are to blame as well. Overall trump 1st presidency was a success, country was in a much better place and the world for that matter sans an epidemic leaked from a lab.
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12-06-2024, 08:49 AM | #72 |
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Chico, thank you for the reasonable response.
I think therell always be some debate about responsibility for Jan 6. I personally dont think it shouldve come down to ordering the National Guard, and there was no need for Trump to hold his rally on certification day, but he just couldnt help himself. Overall, I agree that Trump wouldve gotten reelected if not for covid. It seems in recent history incumbents stand a good chance atvreelection unless things are going seriously wrong like they were for Carter with inflation or Iran, or if you have a political rock star like Clinton running against Bush Sr. Trump of couse as you noted didnt handle covid well fron a PR perspective, and Biden exacerbated which he surely knew was going to be an inflationary environment, as well as just being too damn old to run for another term. |
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