Fresh Start Political Thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Youre bringing up other things and doing "whataboutism".

Me personally Ive said repeatedly I dont think the cake baker should be required to make a special cake as that calls into his subjective artistic ability. I thought the cake baker was very reasonable. he showed them cake he had already made and offered to sell them any of those.

I dont support the short haired butch lesbian antifa side. Most democrats dont support defund the police or ACAB or antifa.

Religion is and should be protected. You shouldnt be discriminated against for religion, gender, color, race, sexual preference.

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Religious views should not be used to make and enforce laws. Amy and Brett both took an oath to uphold the law of the US and not put their religious beliefs before the law.

This isn’t whatabout, it’s a case based in religious principles which the so called religious Justices refused recently. I think it’s relevant.

I think a little bit is too much is being made of the Texas thing even if I don’t agree with it. But I get the uproar, it’s a one of those sacred cows

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'll just respectfully bow out here. Like Chico was saying, there's a middle ground here. Texas is not allowing for that and that's the problem. Often times a woman doesn't even know she's pregnant within 6 weeks. It's just not a reasonable situation.

I'll bow out too. I will agree to disagree with a lot of people on this one. And honestly I was discussing abortion in general not this law specifically, which is my bad as that's where this started.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

Calling a weeks old fetus a baby is so weird if you ask me.

I understand his position. It's where you believe a fetus becomes a human life. Some believe that is at conception, some believe when it takes it a first breath outside the womb, some when a baby becomes viable outside the womb etc.. You have to oppose ending innocent life so I don't knock those that support a total ban - I just think it is one of the extremes - I do think their tactics and policies undermine more restrictive abortion laws though. I'll admit I'm a bit hypocritical in that I will knock those that think the opposite (first breath outside the womb as they support ending lives of babies that are capable of taking that 1st breath but aren't outside the womb yet).

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

You use the word "religion" and we all know you mean Christian like we're some sort of plague. If you're Christian you can't have an opinion. Godless people are the best, they should make all decisions.

And I didn't say fuck you, I said fuck you on that one, where you presume to know what I care about. Then you double down on speaking for me.

If my opinion is abortion bad, yours is abortion good. I'd much rather be on the side of actual life not some BS like well-being.

And as a note - I don't agree with allowing tattle-tales to make money off of being rats.

Nobody cares if you're Christian or not, libs care when you start using that as an excuse to dictate how others live their lives.

In other words, don't start no shit - won't be no shit.

Christians love to cry about religious persecution and the government staying out of their affairs, until the subject of abortion comes along. Mind yo fucking business.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Just come out and say it, Christian's shouldn't be allowed in politics. Only atheist should rule us, because they are so pure.

I will say it.

Church and state should be separate.

In this case, church means Christianity, since you are the dominate religion of the US continually trying to interfere in politics. Enjoy your tax-exempt status and gtfo out of government decisions.

If it was Muslims trying to ban pork for all Americans you'd be up in arms too.

[Chico23231]

Let’s remember the golden rule everyone

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

Nobody cares if you're Christian or not, libs care when you start using that as an excuse to dictate how others live their lives.

In other words, don't start no shit - won't be no shit.

Christians love to cry about religious persecution and the government staying out of their affairs, until the subject of abortion comes along. Mind yo fucking business.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

I will say it.

Church and state should be separate.

In this case, church means Christianity, since you are the dominate religion of the US continually trying to interfere in politics. Enjoy your tax-exempt status and gtfo out of government decisions.

If it was Muslims trying to ban pork for all Americans you'd be up in arms too.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

A baby is a human. Wasn't moving any goalposts.

I'll revise:

If a fetus isn't a baby how does it turn into a baby? We're all constantly in different stages of human-life, starting at formation, until we die. I find it weird that people act like they're not babies, if you ask me.

I feel like you're smarter than this.

It takes 9 months to go from an embryo to a living, breathing baby. This next part is uninformed but based on my very minimal research it takes 20ish weeks to get from the stage where it's just a bunch of cells to an actual developed baby.

If this offends you, just think about the millions of kids I've aborted prematurely. They died for my sins.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Nobody cares if you're Christian or not, libs care when you start using that as an excuse to dictate how others live their lives.

In other words, don't start no shit - won't be no shit.

Christians love to cry about religious persecution and the government staying out of their affairs, until the subject of abortion comes along. Mind yo fucking business.

I disagree - If they believe life begins at conception it is morally imperative that they take a stand against abortion. (Again I personally don't believe that life begins at conception but agree one has to oppose abortions at the point one believes that a fetus becomes a baby/human life).

[Chico23231]

What we continuously see, authoritarians hate to have their power checked.

Thank you Supreme Court

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

I feel like you're smarter than this.

It takes 9 months to go from an embryo to a living, breathing baby. This next part is uninformed but based on my very minimal research it takes 20ish weeks to get from the stage where it's just a bunch of cells to an actual developed baby.

If this offends you, just think about the millions of kids I've aborted prematurely. They died for my sins.

I believe human/baby/homosapien life begins at conception. That's the formation of my thinking on this matter. I'll leave it at that.

Note - Thanks for that image lol

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I believe human/baby life begins at conception. That's the formation of my thinking on this matter. I'll leave it at that.

Note - Thanks for that image lol

I will also respectfully bow out, as we are not going to agree on this matter.

Apologies for my aggressiveness.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

I will also respectfully bow out, as we are not going to agree on this matter.

Apologies for my aggressiveness.

Likewise. I'm probably the biggest asshole here on the topic of abortion. I earn a lot of what I get here on the subject.

[mooby]

https://www.insider.com/texas-aborti...dfather-2021-5

One last thing and I'm done with the subject. It speaks to the intentions of the writers of the law that a 13 year old girl who was raped by her grandfather would be denied an abortion under the new law.

This is just the start too - other conservative states are just going to copy Texas' law because SCOTUS doesn't have a problem with it.