The Vick Factor

[MTK]

In 2-3 years the wildcat will be a distant memory. It's a fad offensive wrinkle, not something that will develop into a playbook staple.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

What else can they do lol. Its a trick formation that is pretty simple to defend. As long as the defense doesnt freelance and set up something for the offense it should be shutdown everytime. Either the "Wildcat QB" takes the snap and runs, tosses the ball to another player, or he throws. So as long as the defense fills the running lanes and the DBs just stick with their man and arent faked out the success rate is very slim for the Wildcat.

Any time you take the QB out of a snap and let someone else handle the football its a good thing for the defense. The Wildcat and all its BS had its great moments like in the Dolphins/Pats game but as the season went on and teams gameplanned for it the Wildcat became a non-factor.

Its not really a trick formation, its a type of single wing offense which was a football standard for awhile. I dont see the wildcat (or the single wing) becoming the NFL's offense of choice but I do expect to see more teams trying wildcat formations more often this year. I think with JC's mobility and ARE throwing skills, the Skins could have success with wildcat plays.

[DBUCHANON101]

The Single Wing is a great O -in youth football- It has been said that it is the father of the spread offense. If you look at the SW alignment and watch the UF games you will see many similarities. But back to MV, Roddy White was near bust status with Vick at QB,I dont want to see our drafted WR's suffer the same manner that White did.We need to have a passer whether its JC breaking out and doing the job or a FA/drafted QB next yr. I have to go with the term that a running QB historically hasnt done very well.

[Paintrain]

If we bring Vick in it cannot be as a starting QB, regardless of when it occurs. Anyone who considers this is just foolish.

However, I think he could be great as an 'athlete' whether it is in a Wildcat type of deal or a full house backfield (Sellers and Vick lined up behind the inside cheek of the G at 4 yards back, Portis or Betts lined up directly behind the QB at 6 yards back) or a wing T formation..

Giving him 8-12 touches a game to either run, throw or catch the ball would give defenses something to really think about.

I don't have any moral objections to bringing Vick in but it will be Shanahan's call next offseason if we are ever in a position to consider it.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If we bring Vick in it cannot be as a starting QB, regardless of when it occurs. Anyone who considers this is just foolish.

However, I think he could be great as an 'athlete' whether it is in a Wildcat type of deal or a full house backfield (Sellers and Vick lined up behind the inside cheek of the G at 4 yards back, Portis or Betts lined up directly behind the QB at 6 yards back) or a wing T formation..

Giving him 8-12 touches a game to either run, throw or catch the ball would give defenses something to really think about.

I don't have any moral objections to bringing Vick in but it will be Shanahan's call next offseason if we are ever in a position to consider it.

WOW, So pretty much you are sayin this season is lost? Thats what will have to happen for Zorn to be gone and if he is gone then that means JC is also gone. Id like to see Zorn stick around, i believe he can grow into a good HC. ppl have mixed views of JC,im waiting on him to show me he can be the man.

[dall-assblows]

im opposed to the idea of mike vick, he never was an elite qb and never will be. Sure he can run but he is, or was, very inconsistant.


BUT, if there is anything positive about signing michael vick, the dog slayer it is that he has something to prove IMO... dont hate.

Everyone in this world deserves a second chance, EVERYONE.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

WOW, So pretty much you are sayin this season is lost? Thats what will have to happen for Zorn to be gone and if he is gone then that means JC is also gone. Id like to see Zorn stick around, i believe he can grow into a good HC. ppl have mixed views of JC,im waiting on him to show me he can be the man.

Not at all. I'm saying if we are ever at a point of considering it that means that '09 was a bust, JZ is out, Shanny is in and it's his call.

It was pretty much tongue in cheek, as most of my Shanahan references are since so many people are convinced the season is already over, in May.

Originally Posted by irish

Its not really a trick formation, its a type of single wing offense which was a football standard for awhile. I dont see the wildcat (or the single wing) becoming the NFL's offense of choice but I do expect to see more teams trying wildcat formations more often this year. I think with JC's mobility and ARE throwing skills, the Skins could have success with wildcat plays.

Nowadays in the NFL running the Wildcat imo is a trick formation. Honestly I find it laughable how teams run it in the NFL.

From everything I have seen Zorn doesnt like the Wildcat. I think ARE's throwing skills are better used when he is lined up at WR and they toss it back to him. When ARE is lined up to take a snap teams will key on him more from the snap knowing he can throw the ball.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Nowadays in the NFL running the Wildcat imo is a trick formation. Honestly I find it laughable how teams run it in the NFL.

From everything I have seen Zorn doesnt like the Wildcat. I think ARE's throwing skills are better used when he is lined up at WR and they toss it back to him. When ARE is lined up to take a snap teams will key on him more from the snap knowing he can throw the ball.

It was still fun to see New England get murdered by it.

[DBUCHANON101]

^ yes it was

Originally Posted by Zerohero

It was still fun to see New England get murdered by it.

Hell yeah.

[SBXVII]

One or two trick plays are sometimes what takes a team to the SB. Gibbs in his first stint always had atleast 2 trick plays waiting to be used during a game. No one says you have to use them, but nice to have if the game is starting to swing against you or your team needs a spark.

I was never as fond of MV as a lot of people were. I too felt he ran way too much and failed to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. One writer may have pointed out his reason for doing so and that was cause he was only 5ft 9inch and had a hard time seeing over the O-lineman. I think Colt will have the same problem but for whatever reason he is the next Favre.

I don't think he would out shine JC cause of two reasons. One is cause he would have to get back into football shape and the second being he would have to learn the plays. JC has one yr in the same offense. Zorn can now put more plays in the book. I would have to think having to teach the coach's, then the players, then coach the QB's, and still be a HC for the whole team as well as build a workout program and schedule is a lot to ask. Everyone says the team is light yrs ahead from last yr so hopefully with the team having the basics down and putting more plays in and hopefully having more WR's to throw to plus a healthy O-line they will look a lot better.

No matter what talent wise I would have to take MV over Collins. MV is more mobile. plus again having one or two trick plays up the sleeve would keep defenses honest.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

im opposed to the idea of mike vick, he never was an elite qb and never will be. Sure he can run but he is, or was, very inconsistant.


BUT, if there is anything positive about signing michael vick, the dog slayer it is that he has something to prove IMO... dont hate.

Everyone in this world deserves a second chance, EVERYONE.

Dallas is home of 2nd and 3rd chances, let him go there. I would be very pissed if we signed him.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Dallas is home of 2nd and 3rd chances, let him go there. I would be very pissed if we signed him.

No big deal.....just make sure to flush more often.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

It was still fun to see New England get murdered by it.

Agreed. Not once, not twice, but 3 times the Dolphins ran that play on them. That was B-E-A-Utiful! It would have only been better if it was US doing that to Dallas.