Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Ditka was assistant head coach for Landry for 9 years.

You are right (the first person to name someone BTW) about Tice. He was OLine coach for the Vikes before taking over on an interim basis when Green was fired.
Tice would be a good comparison...good job thinking of someone, I couldn't.

BTW, Tice was 32-33 with Minnesota, not good, but not bad.

Are you sure he was assistant head coach? I thought he was just an assistant and special teams coach

By the way, it's like the 3rd time I've mentioned Tice

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, what sort of experience are you talking about? Head coaching experience? Ok, you've got Joe Bugel. NFL coaching experience? Bugel, Breaux, Simmons-just to name three. Not counting guys like Hixon, Mitchell, and Sherman Smith here.

Look, I know you're not one of those complain just to complain guys but the fuss over our offensive assistant strikes me as such

You make a good point about the others that have experience. And like I have said, I don't really have the problem with the signing of the offensive assistant position, just really scratching my head as to why hire anyone with no experience at even a d1 school to back up a guy that has never been an HC at ANY level. This is more about Zorn.
I am failing to see the point of that hire though. Like I have said, I am really more concerned about the Zorn hiring (HC, not OC). DO you really think Bugel / Breaux and Company can get Zorn up to speed and make him successful when we barely got to 9 wins with a hall of fame coach, an amazing DC and a once studly OC? I have concerns.
I have obviously made too many comments about our D3 coach hire, I don't mean to take away from my concerns about Zorn by making those comments.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are you sure he was assistant head coach? I thought he was just an assistant and special teams coach

By the way, it's like the 3rd time I've mentioned Tice

I remember an interview with Ditka talking about his coaching with Landry, and yes he was an Assistant Head Coach by his words. I'm sure he could have over played his position, but he was a vital cog in the wheel that was the dallas cowboys. Back then, the titles weren't as important anyway.

Have you seriously mentioned Tice that many times? My bad man, I don't see how I missed that. That was a good call.
Was there anyone else you mentioned that I missed?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You make a good point about the others that have experience. And like I have said, I don't really have the problem with the signing of the offensive assistant position, just really scratching my head as to why hire anyone with no experience at even a d1 school to back up a guy that has never been an HC at ANY level. This is more about Zorn.
I am failing to see the point of that hire though. Like I have said, I am really more concerned about the Zorn hiring (HC, not OC). DO you really think Bugel / Breaux and Company can get Zorn up to speed and make him successful when we barely got to 9 wins with a hall of fame coach, an amazing DC and a once studly OC? I have concerns.
I have obviously made too many comments about our D3 coach hire, I don't mean to take away from my concerns about Zorn by making those comments.

I don't know how long it will take. But I think he has some solid coaches to help him through, and Holmgren's coaching tree is pretty solid overall and regardless of him not being a coordinator in Seattle the fact is that he was side by side with Holmgren for several years and certainly must have learned a lot from him.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how long it will take. But I think he has some solid coaches to help him through, and Holmgren's coaching tree is pretty solid overall and regardless of him not being a coordinator in Seattle the fact is that he was side by side with Holmgren for several years and certainly must have learned a lot from him.

This is not a shot just a question but How many super bowls have they won?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Giantone

This is not a shot just a question but How many super bowls have they won?

I think two right? Holmgren and Gruden with one each.

edit: oh you didn't mean the Holmgren tree, you meant the Seahawks? Sorry, it was the this is not a shot preface that threw me off.

[MTK]

Sorry, nobody can convince me that Zorn was the worst hire of all time without even seeing him coach a single game.

[BleedBurgundy]

I think we could probably say this was the worst coach hiring process of all time with little dissent. The only parallel I can draw is last year's Raider's hire of Kiffin. And he didn't turn out too bad, not that he's welcome in Oakland anymore...but that's another story.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry, nobody can convince me that Zorn was the worst hire of all time without even seeing him coach a single game.

Exactly.

I woudl also like to posit the idea that when we discuss whether a guy is a "good hire" what he did as coach is actually irrelevant because in my mind a "good hire" is a hire that was reasonable and well though out. For example...Spurrier was actually a "good hire" that simply didn't work. No one thought he'd suck as mucha s he did. In fact most believed it was a fantastic hire at the time. It wasn't a "bad hire" it was a bad result.

Lane Kiffin was a "bad hire" there was not any good evidence that he was even a good coach and he was younger than half his team and all of hiw assistants. That's a "bad hire".

Norv Turner in SD is probably a "bad hire". He has proven every where that he isn't the greatest HC and that was a great team they handed him. It may have worked for a year but does anyone think it will last? Bad hire. When We hired him it was a "good hire".

Anyone see my point on this.

As for Zorn I am on the fence really. I suspect it is going to work if Danny gives him the time but I am wary that DS will. I think it is hard to see if this a good hire until we know how DS is going to handle this. If he gives him time and pateince it was good hire but if he just wants Zorn to come in amake some magic in two years then it was a bad hire probably.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I think we could probably say this was the worst coach hiring process of all time with little dissent. The only parallel I can draw is last year's Raider's hire of Kiffin. And he didn't turn out too bad, not that he's welcome in Oakland anymore...but that's another story.

I'd disagree only because we have no idea what other coaching searches were like. This was our first real coaching search in the new blogging age. We have to remember that for the first time ever we had up to date minute by minute coverage of this like no other search in history. I think it is likely that many other searches go exactly this way. Maybe they have gone a little faster but in the end what so "bad" about this search? Just the fact that it took a while? They brough a bunch of people in and kicked the tires on them and eventually didn't hire any of them. It's not like they picked a name out of a hat. Zonr is a guy they hired as OC with the backing of the so called fornt runners and then when they finally whittled out all the front runners they realized well maybe the guy we already hired on the advice of so many good football people dserves a shot. And he wowed them. I fail to see how it was bad.

[724Skinsfan]

I agree with FRPLG. If I were to rate the coaching search process by how quickly I was appeased then, sure, it was terrible. Instead I like to think "Hey, I'm really glad they thought this thing through and the hands-on owner is really comfortable with this hire." I've got very little issue with this coaching process...and that's in spite of me really wanting GW to be the next HC.

[MTK]

I'm just wondering what major issues people had with the coaching search. Was it how long it took? Did they interview too many candiates or not enough?

Personally I think too many people got wrapped up in all the speculation and the misguided info we were receiving and took that stuff as fact.

We certainly can't say the process wasn't thorough. It probably wasn't a conventional process, but at the same time we are so keyed in on the Skins that I think everything in a situation like this is magnified. And of course when you are dealing with a high profile team and owner, that certainly doesn't help matters. I doubt that if Buffalo went through something similar it would have drawn the same amount of national attention.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm reserving all judgment on Zorn. To be honest, I don't remember him as a QB and I don't know how people "in the know" really view him. He could be a great hire, or he could be a miserable failure. I simply don't know.

Our staff in place and personel will not allow for a miserable failure. Just will not happen this year. Maybe he could screw this up years down the line but we're solid right now.

[mheisig]

Meh. Another blogger trying to make a name for himself by saying something outrageous.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Meh. Another blogger trying to make a name for himself by saying something outrageous.

NICE!