Should Gruden be fired ?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Well let's see.

Option A. DS has learned wisdom and perspective through the years, and is sticking to his old promise not to fire anyone during the season.

Option B. DS has learned nothing, and thinks injuries are an acceptable reason for this raging dumpster fire.

Option C. DS is waiting to fire Gruden/co. but is still soliciting BA's opinion out of reverence for his father.

Option D. DS is bound and gagged in his basement (and hasn't watched since we were 6-3) and Allen is calling all the shots now.

Option E. DS is still stupid and is waiting until after the season to fire BA (when there's really no good reason to wait, let's get a head start on everybody else and let the new GM figure out whether to fire Gruden/co. at the end of the season).

Option F. DS is determined to find a new GM before he fires Allen, and the ball rolls from there.

Regardless the answer is always F. DS

[calia]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Regardless the answer is always F. DS

This may get the post of the year award.

In all seriousness, though, I hope it is because he's figuring out who the GM should be and that the GM will be intimately involved in the coaching search and decision. I will say this, though -- if there isn't a major change in the offseason (barring some miraculous win streak now), the fan base will leave in droves. I assume that the folks on the Warpath are among the most loyal, and comments in the last few weeks reflect extraordinary disaffection.

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by calia

This may get the post of the year award.

In all seriousness, though, I hope it is because he's figuring out who the GM should be and that the GM will be intimately involved in the coaching search and decision. I will say this, though -- if there isn't a major change in the offseason (barring some miraculous win streak now), the fan base will leave in droves. I assume that the folks on the Warpath are among the most loyal, and comments in the last few weeks reflect extraordinary disaffection.

Very true. I consider most posters here to be realistic and level-headed (for the most part.) When the mood around here is as negative as it has been lately, things are in bad shape.

I think Snyder needs to find a competent GM and let him make the decisions, alone.

We don't need another "Team President" or "VP of Player Personnel." And we don't need this "Decision by Committee" crap we have going on now. We need a SINGULAR GM who is going to be in charge and call the shots the way HE sees fit. Of course, this only works if you have the right guy put in place. (Please, Please, Please don't put Doug Williams into this role.) Set up a clear chain of command and let the people do their job. Look what Dorsey has done in Cleveland.

If Snyder goes on to hire another Business Exec to "Team up" with what we already have in place, it's going to be more of the same.

Vinny Cerato, Bruce Allen.... who's next in this lineage of failure??

[MTK]

Snyder doesn’t like the reputation of an owner with an itchy trigger finger.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Snyder doesn’t like the reputation of an owner with an itchy trigger finger.


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I get that with the coaches, but i view this giants debacle much like when cerrato was let go. Very similar circumstances and with the dwindling atadium crowds, i doubt firing Allen or even just moving Smith up and re positioning BA in the organization would be seen as a smart move. Heck GB AND Minnesota fired people already this season so he wouldnt be alone in the in season actions.

[SolidSnake84]

I just don't believe that Dan would ever allow someone to make all of the decisions independent of him. I believe it's ultimately why every "GM" or "Team President" type person we have had here has been a total failure.

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I just don't believe that Dan would ever allow someone to make all of the decisions independent of him. I believe it's ultimately why every "GM" or "Team President" type person we have had here has been a total failure.

That's why this team is royally f#cked. But the funny thing is I see Jerry Jones the same way, and they are winning right now.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by rickmmrr

That's why this team is royally f#cked. But the funny thing is I see Jerry Jones the same way, and they are winning right now.

Jerruh is the GM, but he also has forgotten more about football than DS will ever know.

[MTK]

Most, if not all of the owners are involved to some degree. This idea that the owner just sits in the box and cuts the checks is a little naïve.

[Buffalo Bob]

The more Gruden speaks the more pathetic he sounds. He sounds like he runs the team without any discipline whatsoever. I wonder what would happen if Gruden was replaced by the reincarnation of Vince Lomabardi?

[Kope]

I have an unconventional theory about football operations since DS took over. The biggest problem DS has operationally is that he has been too loyal to the person designated to run the team - Cerrato then Allen.

The only hope I have for the future is that at some point he hires a legit football person and shows the same loyalty. Other than that it is Fargo bleak looking forward.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by MTK

Most, if not all of the owners are involved to some degree. This idea that the owner just sits in the box and cuts the checks is a little naïve.

They certainly need to be involved in the business side of things. But they absolutely should not, IMO, be making the football decisions. Being great at business does not equate being great at making football decisions. Because if that was the case, then Dan would be one of the best owners.

I hate to give Jerry Jones any credit, but he is far more knowledgeable about day to day football stuff than Dan Snyder. Jerry knows football too. Dan has proven himself to be thoroughly an idiot when it comes to football only decisions.

[httr198020]

Lets get something straight. This team has been thoroughly out coached with or without the injuries. Keep in mind our offense was pure shit before the injuries. Jay Gruden is not a good offensive coach, nor does he have an eye for talent. It was his idea to get rid of Desean Jackson and Garcon. And since that time our offense has been below average. Since Gruden has been here our running game has been below average. If AP wasn't playing out of his mind our running game would probably be ranked near the bottom just like all the years since he's been here. The defense doesn't have any injuries and they still suck. I know a lot of you are going to say, "we'll Jay doesn't coach the defense." But he hired the guy who coach the defense! He hired both Joe Barry and Greg Manusky. Under Jay's leadership I've seen this team get outcoached, outplayed, and outclassed in the vast majority of big games we've had since he's been here. So hell he needs to go. As far as I'm concern he should have never got hired. He hasn't done anything in the league that warrants him being a HC.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by httr198020

Lets get something straight. This team has been thoroughly out coached with or without the injuries. Keep in mind our offense was pure shit before the injuries. Jay Gruden is not a good offensive coach, nor does he have an eye for talent. It was his idea to get rid of Desean Jackson and Garcon. And since that time our offense has been below average. Since Gruden has been here our running game has been below average. If AP wasn't playing out of his mind our running game would probably be ranked near the bottom just like all the years since he's been here. The defense doesn't have any injuries and they still suck. I know a lot of you are going to say, "we'll Jay doesn't coach the defense." But he hired the guy who coach the defense! He hired both Joe Barry and Greg Manusky. Under Jay's leadership I've seen this team get outcoached, outplayed, and outclassed in the vast majority of big games we've had since he's been here. So hell he needs to go. As far as I'm concern he should have never got hired. He hasn't done anything in the league that warrants him being a HC.

My thoughts exactly....he's about to conclude his 5th NFL season as the Redskins head coach and the Redskins have only been to the playoffs only once in those 5 years....and in those 5 seasons Jay Gruden is still below .500... I'm at my wits end with Gruden...

[metalskins]

Ran across this article. Kind of makes me shrug! Should Jay Gruden Be Fired?