Bucs Postgame

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

-Followed by an absolute bullshit touchback! Play is dead when Apke controls the ball !

Nope, ball is dead if it is downed at that point. If he carries it into the endzone, deliberately or not, it's a TB. Rule is you cannot advance a muff (failure to secure the ball), only a fumble. Had Apke known the rules, he's have been smart and just stopped inside the 5.

Actually happened to me in a game over here. PR didn't catch it clean and I caught and fell on the ball. Teammates all saying should have gone for the EZ and only the coaches realised I'd been smart enough not to try to advance it. I'd understand amateurs like us not knowing the rules, but a pro with years of college behind him...

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Nope, ball is dead if it is downed at that point. If he carries it into the endzone, deliberately or not, it's a TB. Rule is you cannot advance a muff (failure to secure the ball), only a fumble. Had Apke known the rules, he's have been smart and just stopped inside the 5.



Actually happened to me in a game over here. PR didn't catch it clean and I caught and fell on the ball. Teammates all saying should have gone for the EZ and only the coaches realised I'd been smart enough not to try to advance it. I'd understand amateurs like us not knowing the rules, but a pro with years of college behind him...

Well NFL rules might differ on this but with NCAA/IFAF rules the ball is dead when controlled by a member of the kicking team.

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[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Well NFL rules might differ on this but with NCAA/IFAF rules the ball is dead when controlled by a member of the kicking team.

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They do indeed; if the ball is carried into or rolls into the end zone after being touched by the punting team it's a TB. Had he stopped anywhere before crossing the line it would have been Tampa Bay ball on the 5. His ignorance cost 15 yards.

"In the NFL, a punted ball does not have to enter the end zone for a touchback to occur, though this is often the case. A player on the punting team who attempts to down the ball before it crosses the plane of the goal line must keep both feet outside the goal line."

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

They do indeed; if the ball is carried into or rolls into the end zone after being touched by the punting team it's a TB. Had he stopped anywhere before crossing the line it would have been Tampa Bay ball on the 5. His ignorance cost 15 yards.

"In the NFL, a punted ball does not have to enter the end zone for a touchback to occur, though this is often the case. A player on the punting team who attempts to down the ball before it crosses the plane of the goal line must keep both feet outside the goal line."

No. This rule talks about a player attempting to down the ball near the goal line. Apke did down the ball 9 yard from the goal line, and the ball was dead at that point, what happened after that didn't matter. Touching the ball and downing it are 2 different things.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

They do indeed; if the ball is carried into or rolls into the end zone after being touched by the punting team it's a TB. Had he stopped anywhere before crossing the line it would have been Tampa Bay ball on the 5. His ignorance cost 15 yards.

"In the NFL, a punted ball does not have to enter the end zone for a touchback to occur, though this is often the case. A player on the punting team who attempts to down the ball before it crosses the plane of the goal line must keep both feet outside the goal line."

There you go, took me some time because NFL and NCAA/IFAF rule books are structured differently, but the play is over when the ball is recovered by a member of the kicking team:

"The game clock operator shall stop the game clock (timeout) upon a signal by any official or upon the operator’s own positive knowledge:

b) when the kicking team recovers a scrimmage kick beyond the line of scrimmage;"

And then:

"When the kickers catch or recover a kick beyond the line of scrimmage, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery, even if a member of the receiving team has first touched the ball."

[Skinsfanatic]

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[Ohioskins]

I agree that it was the D, not the O, that failed in this game.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

I agree that it was the D, not the O, that failed in this game.

Their OL pretty much contained our D, Young was double teamed and couldn’t generate much, Whirfs did a pretty good job on Sweat and of course the fucking refs. Fucking NFL decides to put a rookie ref for our game.

[FrenchSkin]

One question I have, is Heinicke that small ?
He's listed as 6'1" 213lbs. Baker Mayfield is 6'1" 215lbs. Lamar 6'2" 208. Tua is 6'1" 200. Drew effin Brees is 6'0" 209. Bridgewater is 6'2" 214. Watson is 6'2" 215. Minshew 6'1" 225. Carr 6'2" 214. Kyler Murray is 5'10" 207.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

One question I have, is Heinicke that small ?
He's listed as 6'1" 213lbs. Baker Mayfield is 6'1" 215lbs. Lamar 6'2" 208. Tua is 6'1" 200. Drew effin Brees is 6'0" 209. Bridgewater is 6'2" 214. Watson is 6'2" 215. Minshew 6'1" 225. Carr 6'2" 214. Kyler Murray is 5'10" 207.

No. Not sure where that came from. He's not Josh Allen, but his size is not a problem.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

One question I have, is Heinicke that small ?
He's listed as 6'1" 213lbs. Baker Mayfield is 6'1" 215lbs. Lamar 6'2" 208. Tua is 6'1" 200. Drew effin Brees is 6'0" 209. Bridgewater is 6'2" 214. Watson is 6'2" 215. Minshew 6'1" 225. Carr 6'2" 214. Kyler Murray is 5'10" 207.

Tua is too small too and definitely injury prone. One of the reasons beyond CY being a beast, why I didn't want to draft him.

If you look at all those other guys, maybe outside of Brees, they all look way bigger than Heinicke. Way more meat on the bones. I don't buy that he is 6-1 213. Looks more like 6 190 imo.

[skinsfan69]

As well as Heinike played we still have to draft a QB, and draft one early. You simply can not get caught up in the hype. His sample size is too small to not bring in a rookie. If he is the best guy then so be it. Adding quality depth to the most important position is crucial.

Heinike really was the main reason we were in the game. For the position he was put in, to me he was outstanding. It wasn't too big for him, he made the right reads, he's accurate, he moves well. He makes throws we haven't seen all year. My main question is why was he on the street? How or why is someone who plays that well, with that kind of moxie not on a roster??

Defense all year has been a tad overrated. Yeah they can shut down backup Qb's or subpar offenses, but they were simply gashed yesterday. 500+ yards? C'mon. It was pitch and catch for Brady.

We still have so many holes to fill, but that was a fun game to watch thanks to #4.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

My main question is why was he on the street? How or why is someone who plays that well, with that kind of moxie not on a roster??.

My guess is he got an opportunity to start in Carolina and threw three interceptions. He choked. Understandable being an undrafted guy outta Old Dominion. Threw 55 passes though and hurt his elbow. Tough break. But he was never going to get the second chance ( or third fourth fifth etc) that say a Dwayne Haskins would. But he got that second chance miraculously and showed us he has huge potential.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

My guess is he got an opportunity to start in Carolina and threw three interceptions. He choked. Understandable being an undrafted guy outta Old Dominion. Threw 55 passes though and hurt his elbow. Tough break. But he was never going to get the second chance ( or third fourth fifth etc) that say a Dwayne Haskins would. But he got that second chance miraculously and showed us he has huge potential.

At the least he will get an opportunity going into camp to prove he deserves to be the starter. But I agree, I would still bring in competition for him, either in the form of a rookie or a vet. We can't go all-in after 1 game, even though that game was impressive.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

At the least he will get an opportunity going into camp to prove he deserves to be the starter. But I agree, I would still bring in competition for him, either in the form of a rookie or a vet. We can't go all-in after 1 game, even though that game was impressive.

Im absolutely not saying he should be handed the job. Im saying i think he will earn it and then we will see more of the same.
If some stud lands in our laps in the draft then by all means jump on it. Too many good quarterbacks is never a problem.