can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

[Redskin Warrior]

I think we are to quick to put the blame on 1 or 2 individuals when there were boneheaded plays by numerous players. It's easy to put the blame on JC he's on the hot seat so is Zorn. But if we can't handle the ball off to Portis because Tuck is in the backfield, before JC hands it off to him then blame that on the o-line for not picking up the blitz. If we are allowing WR's 7 to10 yards to kill us on curls & hitch routes all game then blame on the defensive coordinator. Poor tackling blame on the defensive coordinator also. Personal fouls on 3rd down blame that on the players. Everything is not one persons fault!!!

[GusFrerotte]

Offensive line has been a concern for us since Norv. We got Samuels and Thomas, but those have been the only really big moves we have made to boost it for awhile. We really needed an offensive linemen as our #1 pick. Orakpo will be a good one, but he isn't going to win us games.

[GTripp0012]

I'm not normally one to jump on Zorn, but unquestionably, the biggest matchup advantage we had all game long was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers, against a gaggle of poor defensive backs who barely should be in the league. What did we do? We ran the ball into the teeth of their defense.

If Zorn's going to play like that, he needs the quarters to be 40 minutes each. Otherwise, he wastes half the game running Portis into no space.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not normally one to jump on Zorn, but unquestionably, the biggest matchup advantage we had all game long was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers, against a gaggle of poor defensive backs who barely should be in the league. What did we do? We ran the ball into the teeth of their defense.

If Zorn's going to play like that, he needs the quarters to be 40 minutes each. Otherwise, he wastes half the game running Portis into no space.

The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.

We stopped running the ball? Really?

When Clinton Portis got his 16th carry, Campbell had 18 pass attempts. Exactly what are you supposed to do when he's plunging into the line for a yard per play?

We put the ball in Campbell's hands, and scored rather easily. They were very understaffed in the secondary.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We stopped running the ball? Really?

When Clinton Portis got his 16th carry, Campbell had 18 pass attempts. Exactly what are you supposed to do when he's plunging into the line for a yard per play?

We put the ball in Campbell's hands, and scored rather easily. They were very understaffed in the secondary.

Yeah, they were playing soft because the game by that time was won. You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yeah, they were playing soft because the game by that time was won. You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.

You do know Betts got a single carry, and that was an audible at the line itself?

Pounding Portis = wasting plays. Some defenses let you have your way with 7 in the box. The Giants only used 7 in the box, but they won the one on ones all day.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by saden1

You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.

What game were you watching, CP couldnt do squat outside of the first run. I can help but think that has something to do with him not playing in the preseason....and our O-line is pathetic.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We stopped running the ball? Really?

When Clinton Portis got his 16th carry, Campbell had 18 pass attempts. Exactly what are you supposed to do when he's plunging into the line for a yard per play?

We put the ball in Campbell's hands, and scored rather easily. They were very understaffed in the secondary.

Running Left was.....inconsistent. Run right was a......disaster. Except for the mercy TD late, the passing game did not get it done. We have some work to do to say the least.
I think the best thing to come of it is the realization that we do not need a tremendous Offensive showing to be in these games.
Our D had us in it. They allowed 17? against one of the best teams in the league and probably the BEST O-line. That could have been......MUCH worse.....HTTR

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by saden1

The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.

Nope. Clinton Portis averaged under 2.0 yards per rush after the first run of the game. I think he played really really medicore football today.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Nope. Clinton Portis averaged under 2.0 yards per rush after the first run of the game. I think he played really really medicore football today.

Don't care, and for explanation see A. Perterson. The game is about breaking a big run and he did. I would take my chances with CP thank you. Running the ball even for 2/3 yards gets the defense more tired and in the long run it pays off. Zorn got out-coached plain and simple.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Don't care, and for explanation see A. Perterson. The game is about breaking a big run and he did. I would take my chances with CP thank you. Running the ball even for 2/3 yards gets the defense more tired and in the long run it pays off. Zorn got out-coached plain and simple.

Obviously the game is really about taking knees. The team that takes the most knees wins like 98% of the time.

[GMScud]

I lay this loss solely on playcalling. Not too many people are going to run all over the Giants with their line this year. We needed to sling it more and be more choosy with when/how often we ran.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by saden1

The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.

When did we stop running the ball?!? Did you watch the game? All we DID was run the ball!! When you are down 2 scores for most of the game that's not a time to pound the rock. We need to become a pass first offense. If you want to protect and maximize our offensive line, quit being so predictable. We were run, run, pass all day long. Want to set your QB up to get killed? Put him in 3rd and long after 2 failed runs.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not normally one to jump on Zorn, but unquestionably, the biggest matchup advantage we had all game long was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers, against a gaggle of poor defensive backs who barely should be in the league. What did we do? We ran the ball into the teeth of their defense.

If Zorn's going to play like that, he needs the quarters to be 40 minutes each. Otherwise, he wastes half the game running Portis into no space.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I said this all game long. The Giants were missing two CBs today...we should have been picking them apart through the air but after Jason goes 8/11 (with a few bad decisions) Zorn went away from the pass completely. BUT...the only thing i can think is Zorn really doesn't like what he's seeing from the WR corp in live play. I think I see it two. They're routes are mostly awful and there's very little separation. I hate to be the broken record but things keep pointing back to Hixon...his group (i mean the guys he's supposed to have developed, not ARL and Moss who he acquired) are just not NFL caliber. I'm tired of the excuses for that, period.