"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

It doesn't bother you that you have to search through game tape to find some positives? You don't have to do that for Peyton, Romo or Cutler this week.

I am not selling anything. 1 for 7 including two bad deep throws sucks. This is pretty simple and does not need a whole lot of analysis. A performance like this needs to be the exception this year or he is gone and no one can say that he didn't get a fair chance. I am happy that it looks like the guys behind him are legit (although Collins already proved that two seasons ago).

I'm pretty sure preseason performances are the exception, not the rule.

I'm saying it's a stretch to draw any conclusion from a one quarter performance in the preseason, and that consequently, I decided not to break down Campbell's mechanics on film. Don't forget that I've broken him down for a season and a half prior to this, he's not a green as grass rookie. If his experience is reason to conclude suckiness from seven passes, I want no part of this discussion.

Had Campbell been 6 for 7 for 115 yards, I would of politely pointed out he did well and moved on. It's not worth harping on because he's got to do it over 35-40 passes, no quarterback is graded by what the do in the first quarter of any game. In this respect, Jason Campbell has nothing to prove to anyone during the preseason (which is not to say he shouldn't be getting more reps).

Collins is showing me something, but there will not be a benefit to playing him ahead of Campbell. There's not one thing he does better than Campbell, and he's 38, so it's not like we have a viable potential 2010 starter in him. His presence on the roster is injury-related at best.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm pretty sure preseason performances are the exception, not the rule.

I'm saying it's a stretch to draw any conclusion from a one quarter performance in the preseason, and that consequently, I decided not to break down Campbell's mechanics on film. Don't forget that I've broken him down for a season and a half prior to this, he's not a green as grass rookie. If his experience is reason to conclude suckiness from seven passes, I want no part of this discussion.

Had Campbell been 6 for 7 for 115 yards, I would of politely pointed out he did well and moved on. It's not worth harping on because he's got to do it over 35-40 passes, no quarterback is graded by what the do in the first quarter of any game. In this respect, Jason Campbell has nothing to prove to anyone during the preseason (which is not to say he shouldn't be getting more reps).

Collins is showing me something, but there will not be a benefit to playing him ahead of Campbell. There's not one thing he does better than Campbell, and he's 38, so it's not like we have a viable potential 2010 starter in him. His presence on the roster is injury-related at best.

I know that Campbell does everything mechanically better and if you look at my first post, I am not calling for a QB change. You may feel that you are above this discussion because of your film study but the bottom line is that he needs to produce. The second half of last year he had poor production and the first two games of the pre-season, he has had poor production. I am getting tired of excuses. Btw, has he ever been 6-7 for 115 against a good defense?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

It doesn't bother you that you have to search through game tape to find some positives? You don't have to do that for Peyton, Romo or Cutler this week.

I am not selling anything. 1 for 7 including two bad deep throws sucks. This is pretty simple and does not need a whole lot of analysis. A performance like this needs to be the exception this year or he is gone and no one can say that he didn't get a fair chance. I am happy that it looks like the guys behind him are legit (although Collins already proved that two seasons ago).

As poorly as JC seemed to play last night and as unimpressive as he was last week he is still, far and away, the best QB option on the roster. I wish Zorn had given him the entire half last week and at least that this week to get him in a rhythm. Collins is a backup and he should be a backup. He may have the head of a top level starter but he has the arm of a bullpen coach. Colt '09 is a bad version of Colt '08 and he hasn't shown the same ability to shred substitute teachers and UPS drivers like he did last year. Chase has shown just enough to secure a bust in the SS Hall of Fame but is still 5'10.

I'll be looking forward to a jump next week in JC's performance and production.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think you're saying that even though it's Week 2 of the Preseason, that we should expect more from the first team offense.

I'm not buying what you're selling. The offensive line played well, but the dress rehearsal isn't until next week, and no one on the first team's job is on the line. So I'm finding it much harder than most to get really irritated about 3/7 DSR against the World Champs. It's such a mediocre, expected result that I just don't care enough to get truly critical of anyone's performance.

But if I did, I'm sure I could find a bunch of things Campbell did well. It's just that it's so completely irrelevant that it's not worth my time. His job isn't on the line as long as his team is winning and yesterday, they won a meaningless game.

What matters at the end of the day though is whether we win or not; last night we did and even you'll admit that it's meaningless, though you'll use to your advantage that we won, so Campbell couldn't have been that bad and somebody must've been watching last year's game?

That aside last night's game was nice, but doesn't really mean anything to me either. I'd just rather not HAVE to make the preseason (and every other) excuse EVERY year like out of nowhere we're going to be in the NFC championship game. I'm as excited as anybody but I don't think that it's necessarily too early to have concerns either. The good thing, we have 2 more games to work some of these kinks out and anything could change from now until then. In the NFC East every game counts, we don't win a division a game or two over 500 usually, so come week 1, especially being a division game, we need to be near the top of the peak.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I think that even the Jason Campbell apologists have to raise an eyebrown on this performance. He had time and did nothing with it. He had two opportunities downfield and threw two bad balls. And even his mother would tell you he doesn't throw a good short ball.

I am not calling for Collins (yet) but he simply had a terrible game. For a guy who's career as a starter is on the line, he needs to pick it up.

Can't argue with this, Campbell needs to play better

[Schneed10]

The fact that we ran effectively on the Steelers' starters is a much better sign than Campbell's 1-7 is a bad one. We're still a Clinton-Portis-first team. We need to be able to go to our bread and butter more than anything, and that looked good.

If we want to do damage in the playoffs the passing game has to step up, but I think we'll get there.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The fact that we ran effectively on the Steelers' starters is a much better sign than Campbell's 1-7 is a bad one. We're still a Clinton-Portis-first team. We need to be able to go to our bread and butter more than anything, and that looked good.

If we want to do damage in the playoffs the passing game has to step up, but I think we'll get there.

Good point, the strong suit of the offense is the run blocking and Portis getting consistent positive yards...that was reassuring.

I did like the attempts down the field, that first one Kelly had beat coverage, JC waited a little late to let it go...next week will be crucial to see progress in the offense. We will get a chance to see if offense can get some rhythm. 3 points for the starting offense in two preseason games does not show the kinda growth I expect at this point.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Good point, the strong suit of the offense is the run blocking and Portis getting consistent positive yards...that was reassuring.

I did like the attempts down the field, that first one Kelly had beat coverage, JC waited a little late to let it go...next week will be crucial to see progress in the offense. We will get a chance to see if offense can get some rhythm. 3 points for the starting offense in two preseason games does not show the kinda growth I expect at this point.

I'm not thrilled with the output by the first team offense thus far either, but the reality is, it has only been four-five series against two of the best defenses in the league (one of them THE best). In a regular season game against these teams, I wouldn't expect to score on every drive. I'd expect some three and outs, a decent drive here and there, and not a lot of points. That is pretty much what has happened.

I think a lot of people are jumping the gun here. Let's see what happens in week 1 and then can get excited about it.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I did like the attempts down the field, that first one Kelly had beat coverage, JC waited a little late to let it go...next week will be crucial to see progress in the offense. We will get a chance to see if offense can get some rhythm. 3 points for the starting offense in two preseason games does not show the kinda growth I expect at this point.

He threw it on his third hitch step, but short because he miscalculated Kelly's speed.

[diehardskin2982]

He has to let the monkey on his back go and play. Barring him winning the Superbowl, I believe the management has a plan to go after Tim Tebow in the next draft, all he's doing right now is building his trade value... Mark these words

[DBUCHANON101]

Yeah in the first game CB wasnt anything to write home about but afterwards even Zorn said that the protection failed him so given that id have to say that he has the edge for the spot over Chase. I think unless CB just goes out there and stinks it up then he is safe.

[NYCskinfan82]

Remember people wanted Gus and where is he now, he's not with us and he's a Journey man. JC is the answer. I think Chase will be good but don't rush him.

[budw38]

Lets face it , if JC does not improve a great deal < he has to hit some passes 25 yds downfield > , we will have a new qb next year . Not that it is ALL is fault , but we need better production from the qb postion . That first pass to Kelly should have been 6 points , JC needed to lead MK to the middle .

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by budw38

LEts face it , if JC does not improve a great deal < he has to hit some passes 25 yds downfield > , we will have a new qb next year . No it is not ALL is fault , but we need better production from the qb postion . That first pass to Kelly should have been 6 points , JC needed to lead MK to the middle .

Probably a bottom line summary.

[MTK]

Of course you'd like to see JC play better but I'm honestly not concerned based on what little we've seen so far.

Sounds like the gameplan with JC was more about taking some deep shots.