"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think you're saying that even though it's Week 2 of the Preseason, that we should expect more from the first team offense.

I'm not buying what you're selling. The offensive line played well, but the dress rehearsal isn't until next week, and no one on the first team's job is on the line. So I'm finding it much harder than most to get really irritated about 3/7 DSR against the World Champs. It's such a mediocre, expected result that I just don't care enough to get truly critical of anyone's performance.

But if I did, I'm sure I could find a bunch of things Campbell did well. It's just that it's so completely irrelevant that it's not worth my time. His job isn't on the line as long as his team is winning and yesterday, they won a meaningless game.

It doesn't bother you that you have to search through game tape to find some positives? You don't have to do that for Peyton, Romo or Cutler this week.

I am not selling anything. 1 for 7 including two bad deep throws sucks. This is pretty simple and does not need a whole lot of analysis. A performance like this needs to be the exception this year or he is gone and no one can say that he didn't get a fair chance. I am happy that it looks like the guys behind him are legit (although Collins already proved that two seasons ago).

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

It doesn't bother you that you have to search through game tape to find some positives? You don't have to do that for Peyton, Romo or Cutler this week.

I am not selling anything. 1 for 7 including two bad deep throws sucks. This is pretty simple and does not need a whole lot of analysis. A performance like this needs to be the exception this year or he is gone and no one can say that he didn't get a fair chance. I am happy that it looks like the guys behind him are legit (although Collins already proved that two seasons ago).

How are they legit? Collins and Brennan didn't score in either preseason games. They didn't even get the team into field goal position. JC, Collins, or Brennan didn't look great in the last two games. Brennan may lose his position to Daniels if he puts up another bad performance and Daniels puts up another good one. It looks like if JC fails the skins will be drafting a QB in 2010.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

How are they legit? Collins and Brennan didn't score in either preseason games. They didn't even get the team into field goal position. JC, Collins, or Brennan didn't look great in the last two games. Brennan may lose his position to Daniels if he puts up another bad performance and Daniels puts up another good one. It looks like if JC fails the skins will be drafting a QB in 2010.

Collins took us to the playoffs. things have changed since then with the offenses but he is capable. Brennan threw a pick but was 3-5 with 1 throw away so other than a bad pass he did ok. Chase did very well, nice runs and a good lob to Marko.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Collins took us to the playoffs. things have changed since then with the offenses but he is capable. Brennan threw a pick but was 3-5 with 1 throw away so other than a bad pass he did ok. Chase did very well, nice runs and a good lob to Marko.

You could take away bad passes from JC and Collins and say they didn't do bad. All three "vet" QBs haven't look good in preseason, so you don't know if Collins is capable in this offense. JC, Collins, and CB haven't been able to move the offense through "passing".

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

How are they legit? Collins and Brennan didn't score in either preseason games. They didn't even get the team into field goal position. JC, Collins, or Brennan didn't look great in the last two games. Brennan may lose his position to Daniels if he puts up another bad performance and Daniels puts up another good one. It looks like if JC fails the skins will be drafting a QB in 2010.

Ummmm.... Collins moved them into field goal range against the Ravens and then Davis fumbled. I like his decision making and he is throwing accurate balls. Thomas let him down and Hackett should have made that play too.

Pinapple Judas marched them down to the 11 before the pick. I thought he put together a nice drive up to that point. He also had a long first down play against Baltimore before it became 2 mississippi.

Are you watching the games?

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Ummmm.... Collins moved them into field goal range against the Ravens and then Davis fumbled. I like his decision making and he is throwing accurate balls. Thomas let him down and Hackett should have made that play too.

Pinapple Judas marched them down to the 11 before the pick. I thought he put together a nice drive up to that point. He also had a long first down play against Baltimore before it became 2 mississippi.

Are you watching the games?

Yes I have been watching the games and none of the QBs(with the exception of Daniel) have looked good.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Yes I have been watching the games and none of the QBs(with the exception of Daniel) have looked good.

Which would imply that the problem is not the QBs (or the offensive line), but who would that leave?

Oh, right.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Yes I have been watching the games and none of the QBs(with the exception of Daniel) have looked good.

Ok, well that is a statement based on your opinion and I am not going to try and change your opinion. Your "facts" in the last post were flat out wrong.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Ok, well that is a statement based on your opinion and I am not going to try and change your opinion. Your "facts" in the last post were flat out wrong.

What QB (besides Daniel) has scored?? All three QBs offense has stalled in the preseason games especially in the redzone.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

What QB (besides Daniel) has scored?? All three QBs offense has stalled in the preseason games especially in the redzone.

I thought you just said that none of them got us in FG range?? which is it?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

It doesn't bother you that you have to search through game tape to find some positives? You don't have to do that for Peyton, Romo or Cutler this week.

I am not selling anything. 1 for 7 including two bad deep throws sucks. This is pretty simple and does not need a whole lot of analysis. A performance like this needs to be the exception this year or he is gone and no one can say that he didn't get a fair chance. I am happy that it looks like the guys behind him are legit (although Collins already proved that two seasons ago).

I'm pretty sure preseason performances are the exception, not the rule.

I'm saying it's a stretch to draw any conclusion from a one quarter performance in the preseason, and that consequently, I decided not to break down Campbell's mechanics on film. Don't forget that I've broken him down for a season and a half prior to this, he's not a green as grass rookie. If his experience is reason to conclude suckiness from seven passes, I want no part of this discussion.

Had Campbell been 6 for 7 for 115 yards, I would of politely pointed out he did well and moved on. It's not worth harping on because he's got to do it over 35-40 passes, no quarterback is graded by what the do in the first quarter of any game. In this respect, Jason Campbell has nothing to prove to anyone during the preseason (which is not to say he shouldn't be getting more reps).

Collins is showing me something, but there will not be a benefit to playing him ahead of Campbell. There's not one thing he does better than Campbell, and he's 38, so it's not like we have a viable potential 2010 starter in him. His presence on the roster is injury-related at best.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm pretty sure preseason performances are the exception, not the rule.

I'm saying it's a stretch to draw any conclusion from a one quarter performance in the preseason, and that consequently, I decided not to break down Campbell's mechanics on film. Don't forget that I've broken him down for a season and a half prior to this, he's not a green as grass rookie. If his experience is reason to conclude suckiness from seven passes, I want no part of this discussion.

Had Campbell been 6 for 7 for 115 yards, I would of politely pointed out he did well and moved on. It's not worth harping on because he's got to do it over 35-40 passes, no quarterback is graded by what the do in the first quarter of any game. In this respect, Jason Campbell has nothing to prove to anyone during the preseason (which is not to say he shouldn't be getting more reps).

Collins is showing me something, but there will not be a benefit to playing him ahead of Campbell. There's not one thing he does better than Campbell, and he's 38, so it's not like we have a viable potential 2010 starter in him. His presence on the roster is injury-related at best.

I know that Campbell does everything mechanically better and if you look at my first post, I am not calling for a QB change. You may feel that you are above this discussion because of your film study but the bottom line is that he needs to produce. The second half of last year he had poor production and the first two games of the pre-season, he has had poor production. I am getting tired of excuses. Btw, has he ever been 6-7 for 115 against a good defense?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I know that Campbell does everything mechanically better and if you look at my first post, I am not calling for a QB change. You may feel that you are above this discussion because of your film study but the bottom line is that he needs to produce. The second half of last year he had poor production and the first two games of the pre-season, he has had poor production. I am getting tired of excuses. Btw, has he ever been 6-7 for 115 against a good defense?

I don't feel like I'm above this discussion, but if it devolves into a stupid comparison of what other quarterbacks did in their meaningless quarter of work, I have nothing of substance to add to a substanceless argument.

And yes, he has had 6-7, 100 yd stretches before against defenses like the Giants and Cowboys. As has Todd Collins. It's not a special accomplishment.

The problem is that Jason Campbell is being put on a "needs to produce" pedistal. Duh. So does everyone else. If other people are not producing, his job becomes more difficult. London Fletcher is under a ton of pressure to produce this year. Albert Haynesworth is probably under twice as much pressure as Fletcher. Both of them were involved on more plays yesterday than Campbell. And yet, not one thought about them?

There's other things to football besides harping on a meaningless sample performance by the QB. You and I know that. A few others do not seem to.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't feel like I'm above this discussion, but if it devolves into a stupid comparison of what other quarterbacks did in their meaningless quarter of work, I have nothing of substance to add to a substanceless argument.

And yes, he has had 6-7, 100 yd stretches before against defenses like the Giants and Cowboys. As has Todd Collins. It's not a special accomplishment.

The problem is that Jason Campbell is being put on a "needs to produce" pedistal. Duh. So does everyone else. If other people are not producing, his job becomes more difficult. London Fletcher is under a ton of pressure to produce this year. Albert Haynesworth is probably under twice as much pressure as Fletcher. Both of them were involved on more plays yesterday than Campbell. And yet, not one thought about them?

There's other things to football besides harping on a meaningless sample performance by the QB. You and I know that. A few others do not seem to.

I agree with all of this. I guess I am putting Campbell on the "needs to produce now pedestal" since the FO tried to get rid of him twice in the offseason.

It is possible that Fletcher could be gone after a poor year but I would be very surprised; first if he had a poor year and second if they followed that up with a release. Haynesworth's contract basically ties him to the team for several years so he could turn into Stubby this year and still be around for a while.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I agree with all of this. I guess I am putting Campbell on the "needs to produce now pedestal" since the FO tried to get rid of him twice in the offseason.

Can't blame you. I think my 2007 Jacksonville comparison in the game thread rings true. It's not fair to Byron Leftwich to suggest the team wouldn't have made the playoffs with him at quarterback.

Campbell is lucky that he's still here, but he didn't do anything wrong to warrant dismissal.