Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers

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Originally Posted by Buster

Great call with Saberhagen, he's usually forgotten.

I'd move Pedro way down and Clemens up o #1 or #2, but your list looks decent. Halladay and Santana will be on the list, but not yet. Replace him with maybe Kevin Appier or Chuck Finley.
Blyleven was great, but all but about his last 2 seasons were outside the past 20 years.

Mine:

1. GREG MADDUX
2. ROGER CLEMENS
3. RANDY JOHNSON
4. TOM GLAVINE
5. DAVID CONE
6. JOHN SMOLTZ
7. MIKE MUSSINA
8. PEDRO MARTINEZ
9. BRET SABERHAGEN
10. CHUCK FINLEY

Just not sure how David Cone is higher than John Smoltz. Smoltz has more wins, a ton of saves, and was a big game pitcher too. Postseason 15-4 2.65 era, not bad.

DC Postseason 8-3 3.80 era. Not in the same neighborhood as JS.

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First, read the Clemens post.

Second:

5th all-time in strikeouts.
9th all-time in shutouts.
27th all-time in wins.
A 2.59 ERA in postseason.
A 2.35 ERA in the World Series.

Put Blyleven in the hall of fame.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

First, read the Clemens post.

Second:

5th all-time in strikeouts.
9th all-time in shutouts.
27th all-time in wins.
A 2.59 ERA in postseason.
A 2.35 ERA in the World Series.

Put Blyleven in the hall of fame.

3rd all time in strikeouts.
9th all time in wins.
21st in w/l percentage.
LOL...you use postseason stats...he made the postseason in only 3 of his 22 seasons. Clemens made it in 12 of his 24 seasons.

Interesting stats...home runs allowed by bert, 430 (good for 8th all time), and 15th in hits all time. His 250 losses ranks 10th on the all time list as well, and his 1830 earned runs ranks 10th all time.

I can respect your love for Bert, but I can't understand why you would think he was better than Clemens. Yes, I am focusing on your ranking. The position you tried to portray was his 30's, but clearly that arguement held no water. So where does Bert deserve a ranking ahead of Clemens?

According to baseball reference, his black ink suggests he should not be a hall of famer, and his hall of fame standards are exactly 50 which is an AVERAGE hall of famer. At least his grey ink and hall of fame monitor are above the average hall of famer, but this does not suggest a clear cut hall of famer. I'd vote for him simply cause I think those all time players did it the legit way, but that's no way to vote for a player. My vote would be if he dominated his era, and clearly Bert did not.

[jsarno]

Not sure Finley should make the list. Certainly a good pitcher. His best years were from 89-93 (89 and 90 being by far his best), but from 94-02 he had exactly 1 sub 4.15 era season. Take away his two good years and he would have a 174-173 career record. You shouldn't be able to take away 2 years of a guy with a 17 year career and all of sudden he becomes average. I didn't calculate it, but I'm betting it would put his career mark over the 4.00 era if you took away those two season as well.

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Not sure Finley should make the list. Certainly a good pitcher. His best years were from 89-93 (89 and 90 being by far his best), but from 94-02 he had exactly 1 sub 4.15 era season. Take away his two good years and he would have a 174-173 career record. You shouldn't be able to take away 2 years of a guy with a 17 year career and all of sudden he becomes average. I didn't calculate it, but I'm betting it would put his career mark over the 4.00 era if you took away those two season as well.

CF had a good career but he's not in the conversation. 200 W's, 3.8 ERA, good but not elite.

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ps- Hershiser was better than Finley.

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Just giving nats. Fans props on there new drafty hope he is tru.

[70Chip]

I don't know enough to rate 5, but when Maddux was in his prime, he was brutal. He was truly unhittable. Or so it seemed to me. I'm not really a baseball expert.