Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

someone that sees the real issue.

Look, two of our best pass rushers are on IR. playing with basically 3rd string safeties and lets be honest, our corners are horrible. Hall included. You could pay a minimum contract and get the same output as what he is giving us. Haslett took our D from last, to top 10 I believe last year. We have no safeties at all.

One thing I have noticed, or haven't noticed is the big blitz on 3rd down. Now I know the coverage is lacking, but in my experience you blitz to cover up the lack of coverage ability.

We just aren't getting to the QB like we did last year, which is obvious by the last in the league stat we have against the pass. Against the rush, top notch.
So lets not get rid of Haslett and lets get some quality players instead

Who are you referring to? Rak is the only pass-rusher we're missing. Carriker is a run-stopping d end and rarely put pressure on the QB.

Haslett took a top 10 defense to bottom of the league, and then last year we were middle of the pack. Back to the bottom this year.

The regime has signed or drafted a ton of defensive players across the front seven. Carriker, Bowen and Cofield all signed. Kerrigan drafted. Who are the quality players you would bring in, and how are we going to pay for them?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Who are you referring to? Rak is the only pass-rusher we're missing. Carriker is a run-stopping d end and rarely put pressure on the QB.

Haslett took a top 10 defense to bottom of the league, and then last year we were middle of the pack. Back to the bottom this year.

The regime has signed or drafted a ton of defensive players across the front seven. Carriker, Bowen and Cofield all signed. Kerrigan drafted. Who are the quality players you would bring in, and how are we going to pay for them?

Woah. Carriker is a huge loss on the pass rush front because he would push the pocket right up the middle in the face of the QB causing the QB to either not step up or try getting out of the pocket where our pass rushers would get him. Believe me we miss orakpo a lot but carriker is equally as huge of a loss.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Woah. Carriker is a huge loss on the pass rush front because he would push the pocket right up the middle in the face of the QB causing the QB to either not step up or try getting out of the pocket where our pass rushers would get him. Believe me we miss orakpo a lot but carriker is equally as huge of a loss.

Carriker had 5.5 sacks last season. Not bad for sure.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Carriker had 5.5 sacks last season. Not bad for sure.

One last thing I'll add;

Orakpo ranked 10th among (3-4) LBs in sacks last year (9 sacks)

Carriker ranked 7th among (3-4) DEs in sacks last year (5.5 sacks)

(Bowen was 4th among 3-4 DEs with 6 sacks)

[random note**JJ Watt last year had 5**]

[Deivybaby]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

One last thing I'll add;

Orakpo ranked 10th among (3-4) LBs in sacks last year (9 sacks)

Carriker ranked 7th among (3-4) DEs in sacks last year (5.5 sacks)

random note**JJ Watt last year had 5**

Both r ok but doesnt mean itd change our D we have no pass rush. Now SF thats a team that is a real 3-4 . We need to go 4-3 our D is not built for the 3-4 no real MT our front 7 lacls pass rush and cant cover.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Deivybaby

Both r ok but doesnt mean itd change our D we have no pass rush. Now SF thats a team that is a real 3-4 . We need to go 4-3 our D is not built for the 3-4 no real MT our front 7 lacls pass rush and cant cover.

look, our defense last year wasn't great (13th) but it was good enough to get you to the playoffs, should we of gotten there; or if we had had this offense last year.

The problem with this years defense is

- Secondary
- Injuries
- Depth
- Motivation
- Coaching

Our secondary, even when we were healthy was very poor. Week one we got pressure on Brees. A push up the middle, outside containment and pressure from our OLBs. But our secondary started to break down come 3rd quarter time. Then of course, next game we had....

...Injuries. Orakpo like I said is showing how valuable he was to this team for those (like myself) who thought that we could win with Kerrigan and Rob Jackson. Carriker, as I mentioned before was that guy who would push the pocket right up in the QBs face. That was another big loss, and hurt Orakpo, because Orakpo could go after the QB and over pursue and the QB could escape either from outside the pocket or up the middle.

Depth is another concern. Last year--lets use Barry Cofield for this example--Cofield would go in on 1st and 2nd down and flop between series as to whether or not he would come out or stay in on 3rd down. We would always leave Bowen out there. Sometimes we'd leave either Carriker out there or Cofield or Neild. Well, this year we have no Carriker and no Neild, so that more time for Cofields big body to get over worked or for the likes of Kedric Golston, an inexperienced and still-recovering Jarvis Jenkins, and Doug Worthington. Those guys are all clearly a step down from the other guys I just mentioned. Come this offseason, we need to draft some 3-4 DT/DEs, because Golston and Worthington aren't getting pressure or doing as good a job as Carriker and Neild were. (Also theres Baker who is strictly a run stuffing NT, not a pass rusher (Neild could do both--oh and Neild might go through the same thing Jarvis is going through this year coming off a torn ACL...hell even Carriker could) . Again DRAFT DEPTH AT DL!!!!

Motivation is the last thing. Answer me this, how many 300+ lb guys are going to be motivated to go after smart or athletic or both, QBs who are just ripping apart their secondary. Theres no motivation to try to get to a QB in less than 2 seconds when the QB is doing quick passes against a crap secondary that we have. All the DL are probably thinking "Whats the point with the secondary we have!?!?" This is also where Coaching comes in...

...the players aren't responding well to Haslett and Haslett for the past 3 years has made some pretty dumb calls and believed in one thing on defense and decided to keep the game plan the same (having the defense stay the same after Ponder left and Joe Webb went in; Not adjusting to Amendola catching everything on us). I see no way Haslett returns. If we upgrade our coach, it makes our defense already 4-7 spots better just like that.

Bottom line, as soon as that secondary gets better and we get depth for the future, for all of our Defense, we'll be a drastically improved defense that, with our offense will be good enough to get us far in the playoffs. And theres no point of just switching to a 4-3, because we've spent all this money and all these seasons buying and drafting all these 3-4 players.

--fun fact; right now 6 of the 10 Top 10 defenses are a 3-4. And as for the 10 worst defenses in the NFL right now, 8 of them are 4-3 defenses with only Us and Baltimore as the 2 3-4s in the bottom 10 defenses..--

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

look, our defense last year wasn't great (13th) but it was good enough to get you to the playoffs, should we of gotten there; or if we had had this offense last year.

The problem with this years defense is

- Secondary
- Injuries
- Depth
- Motivation
- Coaching

Our secondary, even when we were healthy was very poor. Week one we got pressure on Brees. A push up the middle, outside containment and pressure from our OLBs. But our secondary started to break down come 3rd quarter time. Then of course, next game we had....

...Injuries. Orakpo like I said is showing how valuable he was to this team for those (like myself) who thought that we could win with Kerrigan and Rob Jackson. Carriker, as I mentioned before was that guy who would push the pocket right up in the QBs face. That was another big loss, and hurt Orakpo, because Orakpo could go after the QB and over pursue and the QB could escape either from outside the pocket or up the middle.

Depth is another concern. Last year--lets use Barry Cofield for this example--Cofield would go in on 1st and 2nd down and flop between series as to whether or not he would come out or stay in on 3rd down. We would always leave Bowen out there. Sometimes we'd leave either Carriker out there or Cofield or Neild. Well, this year we have no Carriker and no Neild, so that more time for Cofields big body to get over worked or for the likes of Kedric Golston, an inexperienced and still-recovering Jarvis Jenkins, and Doug Worthington. Those guys are all clearly a step down from the other guys I just mentioned. Come this offseason, we need to draft some 3-4 DT/DEs, because Golston and Worthington aren't getting pressure or doing as good a job as Carriker and Neild were. (Also theres Baker who is strictly a run stuffing NT, not a pass rusher (Neild could do both--oh and Neild might go through the same thing Jarvis is going through this year coming off a torn ACL...hell even Carriker could) . Again DRAFT DEPTH AT DL!!!!

Motivation is the last thing. Answer me this, how many 300+ lb guys are going to be motivated to go after smart or athletic or both, QBs who are just ripping apart their secondary. Theres no motivation to try to get to a QB in less than 2 seconds when the QB is doing quick passes against a crap secondary that we have. All the DL are probably thinking "Whats the point with the secondary we have!?!?" This is also where Coaching comes in...

...the players aren't responding well to Haslett and Haslett for the past 3 years has made some pretty dumb calls and believed in one thing on defense and decided to keep the game plan the same (having the defense stay the same after Ponder left and Joe Webb went in; Not adjusting to Amendola catching everything on us). I see no way Haslett returns. If we upgrade our coach, it makes our defense already 4-7 spots better just like that.

Bottom line, as soon as that secondary gets better and we get depth for the future, for all of our Defense, we'll be a drastically improved defense that, with our offense will be good enough to get us far in the playoffs. And theres no point of just switching to a 4-3, because we've spent all this money and all these seasons buying and drafting all these 3-4 players.

--fun fact; right now 6 of the 10 Top 10 defenses are a 3-4. And as for the 10 worst defenses in the NFL right now, 8 of them are 4-3 defenses with only Us and Baltimore as the 2 3-4s in the bottom 10 defenses..--

Good post, one point I would make is that we are playing our DLine Depth now, and as our primary guys return (hopefully close to full strength or at it) we may very well see that our depth is good because a lot of these guys that are playing now will go back to rotational playing time, where they can come in at the best time for their strengths. I know this year has been a killer, but if we are able to strengthen our safeties and CBs in draft and FA, our defense may end up benefitting from the playing time these role players are getting.

[SKINS73]

The Patriots switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 last year but had problems adjusting to it; however, this year Belichick tweaked their 4-3. He now uses two large DT with hybrid DE/LBs in the front 7 (3-4 type of personnel). This gives them speed to contain outside rushers and puts them in a better position against short and screen passes. It also allows flexibility to switch back and forth between a 3-4 and 4-3. Teams don't know what to prepare for week after week. The Pats went from being ranked 31st in yards per play in 2011 to 8th in 2012. I'm not saying we should switch to a 4-3. What I am saying is our defense needs to become more innovative. Clearly what we're doing now isn't working. There's no where to go but up when you're ranked dead last.

[Deivybaby]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

look, our defense last year wasn't great (13th) but it was good enough to get you to the playoffs, should we of gotten there; or if we had had this offense last year.

The problem with this years defense is

- Secondary
- Injuries
- Depth
- Motivation
- Coaching

Our secondary, even when we were healthy was very poor. Week one we got pressure on Brees. A push up the middle, outside containment and pressure from our OLBs. But our secondary started to break down come 3rd quarter time. Then of course, next game we had....

...Injuries. Orakpo like I said is showing how valuable he was to this team for those (like myself) who thought that we could win with Kerrigan and Rob Jackson. Carriker, as I mentioned before was that guy who would push the pocket right up in the QBs face. That was another big loss, and hurt Orakpo, because Orakpo could go after the QB and over pursue and the QB could escape either from outside the pocket or up the middle.

Depth is another concern. Last year--lets use Barry Cofield for this example--Cofield would go in on 1st and 2nd down and flop between series as to whether or not he would come out or stay in on 3rd down. We would always leave Bowen out there. Sometimes we'd leave either Carriker out there or Cofield or Neild. Well, this year we have no Carriker and no Neild, so that more time for Cofields big body to get over worked or for the likes of Kedric Golston, an inexperienced and still-recovering Jarvis Jenkins, and Doug Worthington. Those guys are all clearly a step down from the other guys I just mentioned. Come this offseason, we need to draft some 3-4 DT/DEs, because Golston and Worthington aren't getting pressure or doing as good a job as Carriker and Neild were. (Also theres Baker who is strictly a run stuffing NT, not a pass rusher (Neild could do both--oh and Neild might go through the same thing Jarvis is going through this year coming off a torn ACL...hell even Carriker could) . Again DRAFT DEPTH AT DL!!!!

Motivation is the last thing. Answer me this, how many 300+ lb guys are going to be motivated to go after smart or athletic or both, QBs who are just ripping apart their secondary. Theres no motivation to try to get to a QB in less than 2 seconds when the QB is doing quick passes against a crap secondary that we have. All the DL are probably thinking "Whats the point with the secondary we have!?!?" This is also where Coaching comes in...

...the players aren't responding well to Haslett and Haslett for the past 3 years has made some pretty dumb calls and believed in one thing on defense and decided to keep the game plan the same (having the defense stay the same after Ponder left and Joe Webb went in; Not adjusting to Amendola catching everything on us). I see no way Haslett returns. If we upgrade our coach, it makes our defense already 4-7 spots better just like that.

Bottom line, as soon as that secondary gets better and we get depth for the future, for all of our Defense, we'll be a drastically improved defense that, with our offense will be good enough to get us far in the playoffs. And theres no point of just switching to a 4-3, because we've spent all this money and all these seasons buying and drafting all these 3-4 players.

--fun fact; right now 6 of the 10 Top 10 defenses are a 3-4. And as for the 10 worst defenses in the NFL right now, 8 of them are 4-3 defenses with only Us and Baltimore as the 2 3-4s in the bottom 10 defenses..--

If you really think our defense was good last ywar your delusional.and didnt watch all of the games. We let all the teams thar had a good offense destroy us we onlt took advantage of the rams and surprise giants and one good mnf dallas game. Other than that it was not pretty or good .

We can have a secondary which will help but our pass rush is not good even with orakpo and carriker we domt have a 3-4 defenase. Notice the steelers and ravens and texans they have the right guys and coordinators we sont have the right staff either ive read we have a 4-3 staff for the 3-4.

Our D wasnt good last year at all imo i mean it was better with landry and oj but not really good.

Lets go back to the 4-3 and just try it out all of our players other than bowen have 4-3 .

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Woah. Carriker is a huge loss on the pass rush front because he would push the pocket right up the middle in the face of the QB causing the QB to either not step up or try getting out of the pocket where our pass rushers would get him. Believe me we miss orakpo a lot but carriker is equally as huge of a loss.

I believe he had 5 sacks last year also. I must say I expected a little more from Jenkins this year. Makes me wonder how much damage his injury actually did to him.