Redskins at Bears Post Game Thoughts

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Need to Know: Why isn't RG3 passing more? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins
...I like the little jab at the end lol

Some fans/media really bend over backwards to explain away even the most innocuous observations.

Of course if they extended some drives etc Griffin would have more pass attempts.
But, lets be truthful its preseason not an actual game no one is worried about scheme and pass-run ratio.
The Bills only ran the ball once in the 2st half because obviously they were working on different passing concepts.
That's what pre-season is for to work on stuff.

Tandler's post avoids the most obvious facts: the surest way to get Griffin more pass attempts?
Play him more snaps and in those snaps call more passes.
Like the Dolphins are doing with Tannehill, like the Colts are doing with Luck etc.

The jab at the end can't really be a jab because its a correct observation by the fans.
If your QB is Rex Grossman(turnover machine)/John Beck and the WRs corps lacks talent in the eyes of the coaches (hence Garcon,Morgan out Gaffney) how is a 60-40 pass-run ratio the same ratio of elite passing offenses justified?

I hate it when sports media pisses on my leg then tells me its raining.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Some fans/media really bend over backwards to explain away even the most innocuous observations.

Of course if they extended some drives etc Griffin would have more pass attempts.
But, lets be truthful its preseason not an actual game no one is worried about scheme and pass-run ratio.
The Bills only ran the ball once in the 2st half because obviously they were working on different passing concepts.
That's what pre-season is for to work on stuff.

Tandler's post avoids the most obvious facts: the surest way to get Griffin more pass attempts?
Play him more snaps and in those snaps call more passes.
Like the Dolphins are doing with Tannehill, like the Colts are doing with Luck etc.

The jab at the end can't really be a jab because its a correct observation by the fans.
If your QB is Rex Grossman(turnover machine)/John Beck and the WRs corps lacks talent in the eyes of the coaches (hence Garcon,Morgan out Gaffney) how is a 60-40 pass-run ratio the same ratio of elite passing offenses justified?

I hate it when sports media pisses on my leg then tells me its raining.

I think it's worth pointing out that there's a little more to the story than it seems. You know, a little perspective to the constant sky is falling mantra from the fans.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think it's worth pointing out that there's a little more to the story than it seems. You know, a little perspective to the constant sky is falling mantra from the fans.

Why does it seem that every observation that is critical or questioning but true is seemingly always meet with: chicken little or sky is falling?

Maybe, just maybe some fans are making actual objective football observations and seek a discussion of them?

Fan:Griffin only has 14 attempts other QBs have more
Response:Oh man, why are you saying the sky is falling? Quit being a chicken little.

^^Rinse, wash, repeat.

Maybe Griffin is so lights out in the closed practice sessions that the feel he doesn't need any more passing attempts then he's received?

Who knows?
But its a fact worth discussing and not dismissing.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Why does it seem that every observation that is critical or questioning but true is seemingly always meet with: chicken little or sky is falling?

Maybe, just maybe some fans are making actual objective football observations and seek a discussion of them?

Fan:Griffin only has 14 attempts other QBs have more
Response:Oh man, why are you saying the sky is falling? Quit being a chicken little.

^^Rinse, wash, repeat.

Maybe Griffin is so lights out in the closed practice sessions that the feel he doesn't need any more passing attempts then he's received?

Who knows?
But its a fact worth discussing and not dismissing.

Isn't part of the discussion, bringing up some possible explanations as Tandler did? Isn't that what we're doing? You're the one that seems to be dismissive.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Isn't part of the discussion, bringing up some possible explanations as Tandler did? Isn't that what we're doing? You're the one that seems to be dismissive.

I don't intend to be dismissive, actually don't even see how I'm being dismissive.

but if this isn't dismissive then maybe I don't understand the word:

Not to worry, Redskins fans (1). At some point RG3 will get some drives going(2) and people can get back to their old habits of complaining that Kyle Shanahan is too pass happy in his play calling.(3)

(1)Who is worrying?
(2) Duh? Tandler's explanation is patently obvious, which is dismissive in and of itself.
Of course if the first team offense could move the ball there would be more passing attempts.
(3) And yes based on the personnel Kyle was too pass happy with his playcalling.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't intend to be dismissive, actually don't even see how I'm being dismissive.

but if this isn't dismissive then maybe I don't understand the word:

(1)Who is worrying?
(2) Duh? Tandler's explanation is patently obvious, which is dismissive in and of itself.
Of course if the first team offense could move the ball there would be more passing attempts.
(3) And yes based on the personnel Kyle was too pass happy with his playcalling.

I didn't offer up Tandler's explanation as the end all be all to the question of why RG3 doesn't have a lot of attempts, just threw it out there as part of the discussion. You seemed to be saying it wasn't even worth talking about.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

...You seemed to be saying it wasn't even worth talking about.

Not my intention at all, I just strongly disagree with his explanation.
And after this I'll leave it; don't mean to side track the thread for which I apologize.

But directly to Tandler's statement about pass-run ratio here is Joe Philbin (who like I mentioned takes an approach that most teams take in regards to getting there QB especially non-veteran QB ready):

We’re still working through that Joe (Rose). Part of the reason that our run-pass ratio is a little out of whack is, if you look at the team and you look at the running back pool, we feel like we’ve got some guys that, a) we’ve got some established players who have had some success in this league, we also feel like we have some young players that have a chance to be very good there. Now we’re in a position at receiver where we don’t have as much information on those guys, we don’t have as much quarterback information, so we’re throwing the ball more than we anticipate throwing in a quote unquote “normal game”.

Read more here: Joe Philbin discusses Carolina loss, upcoming week | Miami Dolphins In Depth

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think it's worth pointing out that there's a little more to the story than it seems. You know, a little perspective to the constant sky is falling mantra from the fans.

Also to note though exciting to see Banks run one back he snuffed out a chance for RGIII to a) have more attempts and b) run the two minute drill. In theory I guess they could have started RGIII at the start of the 3rd but what is the point his night was over. Saturday is his big test against a weak defense and at home; he should be able to shine.