A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?

[REDSKINS4ever]

One thing I would like to see more of that the Redskins didn't do much of last season was pass the ball on the very first offensive play from scrimmage. Kyle Shanahan called running plays on the very first play from scrimmage in 12 out of 16 games last season. Now, the Redskins have the offensive personnel to change that this coming season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

One thing I would like to see more of that the Redskins didn't do much of last season was pass the ball on the very first offensive play from scrimmage. Kyle Shanahan called running plays on the very first play from scrimmage in 12 out of 16 games last season. Now, the Redskins have the offensive personnel to change that this coming season.

Isn't the opening play call pass/run relatively inconsequential both to the type of offense and to the overall gameplan?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Isn't the opening play call pass/run relatively inconsequential both to the type of offense and to the overall gameplan?

I think it's consequential to the quarterback and therefor offense as a whole. I bet if you looked at the percent of games Manning/Brady pass right out of the gate it's much higher than 25%.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think it's consequential to the quarterback and therefor offense as a whole. I bet if you looked at the percent of games Manning/Brady pass right out of the gate it's much higher than 25%.

Why/how does the 1st play of the offense being pass/run effect the type offense?
And how does the opening play being a pass or a run effect the QB and therefore the offense as a whole?

There are only 16 games therefore there are only 16 '1st plays' in the context of a season where there are roughly 1040 plays.
We're talking about 1 play out of 65 for a game or 16 plays out 1040 for a season.
I don't understand what difference it makes if the 1st offensive play of a game is a pass or a run.

I don't see why the nature (pass/run) of the 1st play of game holds some special importance.
Its just one play and in the context of a game a relatively unimportant or inconsequential play.
Games are not won or lost based on the opening play of the game.

Originally Posted by The Goat

I bet if you looked at the percent of games Manning/Brady pass right out of the gate it's much higher than 25%.

Even if Brady/Manning 1st offensive play of a game was a pass more then 25% what difference does that make?
What effect does that have on the rest of the game?
The outcome of the game or the type of offense/gameplan is not determined by the opening play call.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Isn't the opening play call pass/run relatively inconsequential both to the type of offense and to the overall gameplan?

I'm not entirely sure. But one of the reasons why they did that type of play calling was probably because of the bad caliber of QB play. I can remember the second Giants game, which was one of the four games where Kyle Shanahan called a pass play as the first play from scrimmage, and Grossman threw a pick. Maybe they were comfortable handing the ball to Helu Jr., or Hightower istead of having Grossman and Beck throw the rock during the first play from scrimmage. With RG3, it wouldn't be at all surprising if they pass it the first play from scrimmage in most of the games this coming season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I'm not entirely sure. But one of the reasons why they did that type of play calling was probably because of the bad caliber of QB play. I can remember the second Giants game, which was one of the four games where Kyle Shanahan called a pass play as the first play from scrimmage, and Grossman threw a pick. Maybe they were comfortable handing the ball to Helu Jr., or Hightower istead of having Grossman and Beck throw the rock during the first play from scrimmage. With RG3,

I don't like to get into the speculation on why a coach makes a particular playcall because so much goes into every call.
I think its a gross minimization to say well they probably called play X because of Y.
And the theory that they called runs on the opening play call because they didn't trust Rex/Beck doesn't really hold water for me.
Over the course of the year the pass/run ratio was heavily titled towards the pass at a ratio of 60 to 40, that doesn't happen if a team is more comfortable handing the ball to their backs.

But, were talking about the opening play call without knowing where ours shake out in regards to the other teams.
Are we middle of the pack in terms of pass/run ratio? Head of the pack? Bottom of the pack?

it wouldn't be at all surprising if they pass it the first play from scrimmage in most of the games this coming season.

I still don't see the import of the opening playcall in regards to the offensive scheme/game plan.
Whether they pass more/less on the opening play doesn't equate to a change in the type of offensive scheme.

Imo the opening playcall probably comes down to a team calling what they view as their most successful play or the play with the highest percentage of gaining positives yards and therefore creating a manageable 2nd down to create a manageable 3rd down to sustain the opening drive.