Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah one day after Irsay says that he'd love to have Manning back if he wants to work out the contract... Irsay is all over the place. He keeps saying he wants to keep the business in house, yet he can't keep his mouth shut to save his life.

He must be sippen on that syrup again. LOL:cool-smil

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah one day after Irsay says that he'd love to have Manning back if he wants to work out the contract... Irsay is all over the place. He keeps saying he wants to keep the business in house, yet he can't keep his mouth shut to save his life.

One neat way to ensure there is a lot of questions and not a lot of suiters for when you cut PM and hope to be the team to bring him back on a lower salary.

If I was PM I'd be pissed about all the negative info the Colts are putting out and basically tell them I would not be interested in a new contract or any type of restructure. I'd be ready to leave.

[SmootSmack]

So it was apparently Mannings camp that leaked the info about the 4th surgery and trying to play at the end of last year

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So it was apparently Mannings camp that leaked the info about the 4th surgery and trying to play at the end of last year

Why would they? That information can't help his cause.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Lotus

To be fair to Irsay, he is in a tough spot which I don't envy. If Manning walks then Irsay is the bad man who chased the greatest Colt in history out of town. If he keeps Manning then he's out $28 million for a QB who may not be durable and who may stand in the way of a reloaded future. Irsay is kind of damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.

It's a tough spot. If I'm not mistaken, Manning's camp has leaked that he'd be willing to sign a contract that is loaded with mostly performance/playing time based incentives.

Irsay basically gave him almost $30M for nothing this past season. Can you fault the guy for not wanting to do it again? Peyton Manning would count for about $35M towards the Colts salary cap next year ($7M in base pay plus the bonus I think). That's a gigantic number for a guy who's health is a total question mark. Colt or not, I don't think there' s a snowball's chance in hell Manning ever sees that $28M.

[30gut]

Wow, it really is the offseason.

All this time I thought you were supposed to judge the outcome of an injury after rehab is complete?

I had no idea you could look at someone in the middle of rehab and consider that the end result.

The sports media is on a fast track to becoming no better then the tabloids.
Playing fast and loss with the meaning of 'procedure' vs 'surgery'.
The list of medical treatments that can be considered 'procedure' or 'surgery' is very long.

Also, I don't understand the notion that signing Peyton prevents the team from building through the draft.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

To be fair to Irsay, he is in a tough spot which I don't envy. If Manning walks then Irsay is the bad man who chased the greatest Colt in history out of town. If he keeps Manning then he's out $28 million for a QB who may not be durable and who may stand in the way of a reloaded future. Irsay is kind of damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.

He's not in a tough spot. Manning can't even throw the ball. When the time is right he just needs to hold a press conference and say that the risk is too great and they're going to rebuild with Luck. Instead he keeps running his mouth. It's like the guy's obsessed with his stupid ass Twitter. Are there any other owners out there Twittering?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

It's a tough spot. If I'm not mistaken, Manning's camp has leaked that he'd be willing to sign a contract that is loaded with mostly performance/playing time based incentives.

Irsay basically gave him almost $30M for nothing this past season. Can you fault the guy for not wanting to do it again? Peyton Manning would count for about $35M towards the Colts salary cap next year ($7M in base pay plus the bonus I think). That's a gigantic number for a guy who's health is a total question mark. Colt or not, I don't think there' s a snowball's chance in hell Manning ever sees that $28M.

I...personally am not aware of anybody faulting him for baulking at the number. I think that is completely responsible action.
The Knock on JI has been his childish ass Twitterspace behavior and.....airing matters to the world that belong in the locker room.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This article simply points out exactly what another article actually mentioned and that was RGIII has great long ball accuracy. Timing is great on his deep ball also. Basically put he can throw the deep ball and he can throw the short ball but he has trouble with the intermediate routes which might be the only thing open with the 3-4 zone defenses.

The bolded above is not the take away from the article I got at all.

Did we read the same article?
This one:
Tale of the Tape: Robert Griffin III vs Oklahoma - Hogs Haven

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I...personally am not aware of anybody faulting him for baulking at the number. I think that is completely responsible action.
The Knock on JI has been his childish ass Twitterspace behavior and.....airing matters to the world that belong in the locker room.

Please note that I am not supporting Irsay, just trying to understand.

His Twitter foolishness and airing locker room issues arise because he's between a rock and a hard place. He is handling it poorly for sure...but none of us want to be in his difficult shoes on the Manning issue.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

Why would they? That information can't help his cause.

Trying to find out more about this

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mooby

Why would they? That information can't help his cause.

Sounds strange to me too.
Maybe they thought that letting people know that Peyton was near 80% during 'practice' last Dec it would help the perceptions about his health?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

To me a journeyman QB and a developmental QB are basically going in the same direction as we did last year in terms of that position. MS' willingness to go into the season with a question mark at QB to me is a bigger risk than PM or RG3. And regardless of how it happens, if he has a losing season with a journeyman QB, I just don't see how he keeps his job.

I see last year different.
Imo going with Grossman was going with a known quantity and hoping or expecting to coach him up and make him play better then his career to date would indicate.

Imo when Rex was giving the nod over Beck in a close preseason battle it represented going with a veteran known quantity instead of Beck a journeymen/developmental QB.

In essence it was a win now move as opposed to a developmental move.
It was a continuation of avoiding developing a future QB that began with not drafting a the top QB, which I completely understand, but it also manifested itself in avoiding even drafting a late round fliers like TJ Yates or Tyrod Taylor.

If we trade up to get RG3, I actually expect the possibility of having a losing season. However, I feel that making this move would be heading in the right direction, especially if the team shows improvements in the offense. I think this would warrant another year of MS to see how he is able to improve a rookie QB.

I agree.
A rookie QB is imo the only situation where Mike can have below average QB play and not get called on the carpet.

I'm personally not against the usual suspect journeyman or second chance QB via FA/trade.
But, if they're not successful right away it won't be good for Mike Shanahan because of his failures at the QB position thus far.

[los panda]

i'd rather take another look at patrick ramsey than go another year with grossman as our best bet

[GTripp0012]

The most fascinating thing is that in 2011, the only unit on the team that exceeded it's relative expectations was the passing offense. The rushing offense, rush defense, pass defense, kick, and kick return games all performed below expectation.

So I mean, what do you address? The biggest need (passing offense) is the one that performed relatively well last year. Do you just throw all resources at that one problem and hope everything else just had a down year last year? Or do you spread the resources around and hope the pass offense takes another step forward without much of a talent influx?