Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A healthy Manning would undoubtedly make a big difference, add in the draft and $50M to spend on free agents and this team could be a lot better in a hurry.

Said also the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles and the 2000 Washington Redskins...


As Redskins fans we should learn it is never that easy.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

By your own argument, if Peyton Manning is worth 7 points a game (either through offensive scores or fewer turnovers), we will win 4-6 more games. That would make us a playoff contender.

I never said PM could give us 7 more points a game with this team.


Bringing PM here and asking him to win the Super Bowl for us would be the same as asking Micheal Phelps to win the 100m Butterfly in a pool with no water.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Said also the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles and the 2000 Washington Redskins...


As Redskins fans we should learn it is never that easy.

You're obviously intent on shooting down anything suggesting the Skins could be much improved in 2012.

Who pissed in your wheaties today?

[The Goat]

This is easily the best thread so far this year.

One comment: it's very difficult to add a bunch of new pieces though FA and the draft with immediate (same year) results. It just doesn't happen often. PM would be an instant upgrade...huge upgrade. The other FA additions are big ?. We could spend a hell of a lot on offense FA guys and not get much bang for the buck, just as we spent a small fortune last season on defense FA guys like Bowen and Turd Ferguson for marginal impact.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't think you can win with him anymore because he is not healthy. If he was truly healthy and his old self the Colts keep him and trade that pick for a king's ransom.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

No one knows if he will be healthy including the Colts. The point was if he is healthy then he would make the Redskins or anyone else a contender.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You're obviously intent on shooting down anything suggesting the Skins could be much improved in 2012.

Who pissed in your wheaties today?

Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Said also the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles and the 2000 Washington Redskins...


As Redskins fans we should learn it is never that easy.

You mean the team that gave Michael Vick 100 mil and no offensive line whatsoever, spent on Nnamdi when they had Asante Samuel and DRC, made their offensive line coach their defensive coordinator, and let the whole DJax situation spill into the season? Not to mention having a head coach with the worst clock management in the history of the NFL.

How is that different from acquiring a healthy P. Manning at a reasonable price (when was the last time BA overpaid for someone), drafting the best guard in the draft (DeCastro), drafting a QB to learn behind Manning, adding quality players through the draft, and continue to the develop the young talent we drafted last year (Helu, Kerrigan, Hank, Jenkins, etc., etc.). All this while probably having enough cap room to add a true #1 WR and add depth to our defense.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.

Plan B is trading our first and second rounders this year and probably our first rounder next year for RG3. Which would require you to spend a lot in free agency, since you are no longer able to build through the draft, because you have to give up picks. Trust me, I wanted this option, but the moment that the possibility of a health franchise QB became available, I would much rather pick up Manning, while building through the draft.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.

Well, as we've already discussed you can bring in someone like PM and still draft a guy to develop behind him.

I'd prefer to keep building through the draft too, but with $50M to spend and pressure mounting to start showing some results in the W column, I could see a more aggressive offseason approach ahead.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well, as we've already discussed you can bring in someone like PM and still draft a guy to develop behind him.

I'd prefer to keep building through the draft too, but with $50M to spend and pressure mounting to start showing some results in the W column, I could see a more aggressive offseason approach ahead.

Why waste the money on PM?

Maybe you bring in PM to fire up the fan base and generate some buzz but in reality he is going to waste cap space and really not get us where we need to be long term at the QB spot.

I am really not trying to be a dick and would LOVE the Skins to be instantly good but I just know that is not going to work, we have seen it before.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think you make some fair points here. Honestly, the reason I have made all of these Manning comments is because of what I've heard here and in the media about this place being a possible destination (and not the typical "oh let's throw the Redskins name in there since this is a big time free agent").

I get the impression from some posts that people think all the Skins have to do is make an offer and he's here but unfortunately its a 2 way street and PM is gonna do what he feels is best for PM. I dont think PM is going to view the Redskins as the best choice for the final chapter of his career.

I do think he would help this team get better fast but I'm not sure he can get them to the playoffs.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.

If we were trading picks away for manning, or paying him so much money that we had to skimp on other areas of the team, then you might have a legitimate argument. But thats not the case, so you don't. getting manning does not cost us any draft picks and we have so much cap room we can pay him what he deserves and still make significant, intelligent, upgrades in free agency.

take manning our of hte equation and our team is already better than the colts. add manning and we're an immediate contender. and thats BEFORE free agency and the draft. Manning will likely go down in history as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. There has never been another quarterback who has the same understanding the game and defenses as Manning. He reads defenses and changes the play to be successful nearly every snap. No one else has ever done that as consistently and as successfully as Peyton Manning.


We've got oodles of cap room and a ton of draft picks. What you dont seem to be able to grasp is that signing manning does absolutly nothing to hurt our chances to build a successful team long-term. In fact, signing Manning would HELP us build for long-term success while still being competitive now.

Whats your alternative? Roll with Kyle Orton? Mortgage the future by trading up for RGIII and not have other young players to build around.

Signing manning allows us time to develop our entire roster so by the time our young qb of the future is ready, weve got good talent around him.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I never said PM could give us 7 more points a game with this team.


Bringing PM here and asking him to win the Super Bowl for us would be the same as asking Micheal Phelps to win the 100m Butterfly in a pool with no water.

Of course you never said that PM was worth 7 points a game.

But if he is worth 7 points a game, your argument puts us in the playoffs.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by irish

I get the impression from some posts that people think all the Skins have to do is make an offer and he's here but unfortunately its a 2 way street and PM is gonna do what he feels is best for PM. I dont think PM is going to view the Redskins as the best choice for the final chapter of his career.

I do think he would help this team get better fast but I'm not sure he can get them to the playoffs.

Bingo, why would he come here?


I just don't see it as a good fit for either party that is just my opinion. I am NOT trying to get everyone pissed off I am just saying how I feel.

[irish]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If we were trading picks away for manning, or paying him so much money that we had to skimp on other areas of the team, then you might have a legitimate argument. But thats not the case, so you don't. getting manning does not cost us any draft picks and we have so much cap room we can pay him what he deserves and still make significant, intelligent, upgrades in free agency.

take manning our of hte equation and our team is already better than the colts. add manning and we're an immediate contender. and thats BEFORE free agency and the draft. Manning will likely go down in history as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. There has never been another quarterback who has the same understanding the game and defenses as Manning. He reads defenses and changes the play to be successful nearly every snap. No one else has ever done that as consistently and as successfully as Peyton Manning.


We've got oodles of cap room and a ton of draft picks. What you dont seem to be able to grasp is that signing manning does absolutly nothing to hurt our chances to build a successful team long-term. In fact, signing Manning would HELP us build for long-term success while still being competitive now.

Whats your alternative? Roll with Kyle Orton? Mortgage the future by trading up for RGIII and not have other young players to build around.

Signing manning allows us time to develop our entire roster so by the time our young qb of the future is ready, weve got good talent around him.

I agree, if its a choice between spending some $ to get PM (as long as he's healthy) or giving away a bunch of picks to get RG III then its no contest, take PM. Like you said there's tons of cap space and the only to lose is $. Its basically cant lose deal for the Skins.