Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[Alvin Walton]

Hmmmm....
An old man that cant throw to his left or the next Randall Cunningham?
I'll go with Buddys boy.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Don't like Garçon. Average WR who Manning made look better than he actually was. He's a dime a dozen guy.

Who made him look better?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Man, another QB thread? How many variations of scenarios do we need specific threads for?

And yet all the regulars are in here like free Makers Mark was being handed out with each reply.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with:

2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning.

This guy gets it. We can plug all the holes we want but until we have a franchise QB we are not even in the game.

We have the 6th pick now and and the good fortune of the #2 overall pick being held by a team that doesn't need a QB. We will never have a better chance to get our hands on a franchise QB. I would love to have a year or 2 of Peyton while RG3 learns but if I have to pick I am going with 10+ years of RG3 over 2 years of Peyton.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Here's a question: We all agree that QB/WR/OL are the three biggest holes on the team right? So let's say we re-sign our main FAs Fletch/Davis. Now we have cap space. What if we go out and sign Dwayne Bowe, Eddie Royal, and Ben Grubbs. I think it's safe to say that makes our team better and fills two holes (RT is another story) NC Skins, would you still be against the 3 picks for 1 deal for RGIII? I think FA will have a big say in whether or not we trade up.

Exactly. It baffles me that a fan base that has not had a franchise QB in almost 30 years is worried about 3 draft picks. We are still building the right way. Giving up 3 extra draft picks to solve a generation long QB problem does not mean that Vinny is coming back...

[skinsguy]

Just a couple of things first. Number one, to all that say Peyton Manning will be too fragile to play, that is not the issue at all. There have already been a few doctors to say that this surgery is commonplace and Peyton is no more at risk with his health/life resuming his football career than anybody else. So, stop worrying about the neck. Number two, the only thing to be concerned with is how progressive the nerve regeneration in Peyton's arm is. Will that process continue to improve, or will Peyton hit a plateau? That is the only concern with Peyton Manning at this point.

OK, so to fast forward to choosing between Manning or Griffin. We're assuming Manning is 100% healthy enough to play and he's gotten his throwing strength and velocity and all that jazz back. The choice should be obvious - you sign Peyton Manning to the right incentive based contract that benefits both him and the team's cap situation. You keep all of your draft picks, either draft your QB of the future in this draft, or you can wait until next draft, and heck, maybe even the 2014 draft if need be. You continue to build through the draft, while being smart in getting a few key pieces in free agency - but the draft is #1 priority. Only draft RGIII if he falls to #6.

I realize a lot of you guys have been enamored by RGIII since the middle of the college season, and feel he's a no brainer pick. Heck, after seeing a couple of games, I'm hooked as well. But, truth be told, we have all waited, bitched, and moaned for the last decade about how the Redskins don't build through the draft. Yet, I'm seeing those same people suggesting that we do the exact opposite to land RGIII. Giving away multiple draft picks to sign one draft pick is not building through the draft. It's taking a HUGE gamble on an unproven commodity. I was on board earlier about doing whatever it took to get our franchise QB, and I'm not necessarily off of that bandwagon. But, looking at this from a business standpoint as well, it doesn't make a lot of good business sense to give away a bunch of draft picks for one guy. One guy that could be a huge bust. At least if Manning turned out to be a failed experiment, it doesn't set the team back nearly as much as it would if RGIII failed. HOWEVER, I say that only because the Redskins Would have an alternative from having to give up picks to land a projected franchise QB. IF the 'skins had no other options, then I'd be on board with doing whatever it takes to land RGIII. BUT, if Manning's arm continues to improve, and his arm is good enough by the time training camp rolls around, that's the option that needs to happen...even if Manning only plays for a couple more seasons.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by celts32

Exactly. It baffles me that a fan base that has not had a franchise QB in almost 30 years is worried about 3 draft picks. We are still building the right way. Giving up 3 extra draft picks to solve a generation long QB problem does not mean that Vinny is coming back...

It's not necessarily 3 extra picks. One or two of those picks could turn into a couple of more picks with trading down in future drafts and so forth. So, what appears to be only 3 extra high round picks could turn into 5 or 6 possible draft picks.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

It's not necessarily 3 extra picks. One or two of those picks could turn into a couple of more picks with trading down in future drafts and so forth. So, what appears to be only 3 extra high round picks could turn into 5 or 6 possible draft picks.

Thats highly speculative. A trade down is not always available when you want it. Regardless that's not really the point. I don't care how many picks it is...I want the QB problem solved LONG TERM. The teams that win consistently in this league are the ones with the franchise QB's. We need to get one if we want to be something more then a surprise playoff team every now and then.

Say we get Manning and become a playoff team drafting in the 20's for 2 years. When the 2 or 3 years are up we are right back where we started from with no QB and we have drafted so low that prospects as good as RG3 are out of our reach. At that same time with RG3 we could be off and running with our franchise QB who is just hitting his prime. In my opinion the Manning move only pays off if they win the Super Bowl with him and i am not willing to bank the future on it.

[SBXVII]

Everyone is acting like a QB like RGIII comes along only once in a life time. Guess what they don't. Newton was one of those guys.

Another issue that has to be accounted for is are the Skins one player away from making the play offs? Cause by taking RGIII we could lose up to 3 picks this year and 2 or 3 more picks next year. So by taking RGIII your pretty much in the mind set that this team has everything else it needs on offense and RGIII is the missing piece. He will take this team to the play offs. I don't think that happens.

Another issue is will our coaching staff design and call plays to RGIII's abilities and skill set or will they force the round peg into the square hole and make him play the way they want him to play?

Then there is the issue of will he even work out in the NFL? He comes from a spread offense. How many of you here have argued every year about how spread offense QB's hardly make it in the NFL? A lot of you. He's going to have to work on taking snaps from under center and his footwork along with reading defenses and changing the play calls at the LOS. Personally I'd rather take the Wilson kid who is just as mobile for less the cost. Especially if the coaching staff is going to have to work on changing the QB's technique anyway.

The original question is stupid. The team is going to pick up a Vet QB especially if they let Beck go but definitely if they let both Beck and Grossman go. P.Manning has nothing to do with the draft and would not effect what we could, would, or can do there. If I were the Colts I'd ignore any complaints and keep Manning and draft Luck. Which is why I'm saying I'd take Manning here. I don't think he will be ready. That lets whoever we draft start. Personally Manning or not I want the team to trade back for more picks, he'll draft 2 QB's if they want to and let them battle it out in camp. I'll take 2 young healthy Rookie QB's over one RGIII who ties the clubs hands for a couple of yrs.

Trade back for a late first and a late second. Draft Weeden in round 1. Draft a WR in early round 2. Draft Wilson in late round 2.

Then start picking up the rest of the draft.

[MTK]

I'd keep the picks and sign Manning.

[hooskins]

Based on the information we have right now, Peyton may not be able to throw to his left and across his body. Assuming this is true, get RGIII. Also I highly doubt Manning, if healthy, would want to play here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Based on the information we have right now, Peyton may not be able to throw to his left and across his body. Assuming this is true, get RGIII. Also I highly doubt Manning, if healthy, would want to play here.

Interesting that some continue to think that. Why I'm really not sure.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Interesting that some continue to think that. Why I'm really not sure.

So I haven't been on the Path in a bit and please present a counter to my points.

Why Peyton would come here:
-Shanny
-Prestige?

Why Peyton wouldn't come here:
-He would be fighting for a playoff spot against his brother twice a year
-Cold weather
-We have missing parts on the offense

Just my two cents.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

So I haven't been on the Path in a bit and please present a counter to my points.

Why Peyton would come here:
-Shanny
-Prestige?

Why Peyton wouldn't come here:
-He would be fighting for a playoff spot against his brother twice a year
-Cold weather
-We have missing parts on the offense

Just my two cents.

I'm borrowing from Smootsmack:

Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization

[Alvin Walton]

What if:

Manning is healthy.
The Saints cant negotiate Brees.
Brees to DC.
Manning goes to NOLA.
Archie is delighted.
Redskins and Saints in the NFC championship.


Hey, a guy can dream a little....