Roster transition in the Shanny era

[MTK]

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?

Exactly.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?

Rhinehardt is going to be a solid 10-13 year vet and an irritation for administrators/creators of fan forums the whole time

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?

Those guys are relevant in the discussion about the recent past, i.e. why the Redskins haven't been successful under Shanahan.I'm willing to concede that it's meaningless going forward, w/free agency around the corner for those guys. It's been a tough two years. Lots of sub-par decisions. Obviously the REALLY meaningful ones are Rogers and Carter.

2012 = make or break. That's something we can agree on that the release trades of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, and Heyer have no effect on. If the re-building re-tooling effort worked, then it worked. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Those guys are relevant in the discussion about the recent past, i.e. why the Redskins haven't been successful under Shanahan.I'm willing to concede that it's meaningless going forward, w/free agency around the corner for those guys. It's been a tough two years. Lots of sub-par decisions. Obviously the REALLY meaningful ones are Rogers and Carter.

2012 = make or break. That's something we can agree on that the release trades of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, and Heyer have no effect on. If the re-building re-tooling effort worked, then it worked. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

The Redskins havent been successful in over a decade due to draft mis-management and roster rot. With an organization that much of a mess I think it will take all of Shanny's contract just to get this team back to being competitive (not great but competitive) because its impossible to fix over a decade of destruction in 2 or 3 years. IMO, to call 2012 a make or break is waaay premature.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Those guys are relevant in the discussion about the recent past, i.e. why the Redskins haven't been successful under Shanahan.I'm willing to concede that it's meaningless going forward, w/free agency around the corner for those guys. It's been a tough two years. Lots of sub-par decisions. Obviously the REALLY meaningful ones are Rogers and Carter.

2012 = make or break. That's something we can agree on that the release trades of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, and Heyer have no effect on. If the re-building re-tooling effort worked, then it worked. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

I'll even disagree on them.. Carter is a terrible 3-4 fit, he just is. Now an argument can be made that we should have tried to get something in trade for him, which I agree with but the fact that he is an ex-Redskin isn't really a big deal.

Rogers wasn't coming back regardless. When he didn't get a big extension that he thought he deserved after the '09 season he was mentally done in DC. He vastly overrated himself in the marketplace and received a one year contract as a result. Historically he has played his best in contract years so I'll be interested to see how he performs on a long term deal.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Those guys are relevant in the discussion about the recent past, i.e. why the Redskins haven't been successful under Shanahan.I'm willing to concede that it's meaningless going forward, w/free agency around the corner for those guys. It's been a tough two years. Lots of sub-par decisions. Obviously the REALLY meaningful ones are Rogers and Carter.

2012 = make or break. That's something we can agree on that the release trades of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, and Heyer have no effect on. If the re-building re-tooling effort worked, then it worked. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

Would our W/L record have been any different with these guys?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Would our W/L record have been any different with these guys?

With vastly improved personnel management? Of course. With just one of them? Probably not.

Every one of these cases is a small symptom of a larger problem. The larger problem is one of the core reasons we can't win games. There's no obvious reason why we couldn't have picked better players to take these guys' roster spots, but we obviously did not. Pointing out that these guys once existed as Redskins is just a response to the idea that we never had any talent here. It was once here, we chose to go in a different direction.

Now to me, that was obvious at the get-go (March 2010), but to a lot of people who believed in a long term rebuilding plan, they need to be reminded that those guys were here and are now improving elsewhere. Obviously, we had a different vision for the franchise. I don't think the vision was back to back ten+ loss seasons, but that was the result of the execution.

It's only because this is a thread where we are trying to dig deeper than the final record that guys like Edwin Williams and Chad Rinehart are still relevant. If we weren't into hard analysis, well, bad record = bad coach.