2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The same brain trust that wheeled and dealed themselves into 12 draft picks last year? What about this current roster says win now?

They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.

That would be dumb by them. They should try to get Barkley or RGIII if they come out (Barkley preferably). Manning is one big hit away from retirement.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.

I just don't see them trading him. They owe him another $28M bonus before they can even offer him up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I just don't see them trading him. They owe him another $28M bonus before they can even offer him up.

But they can work out numbers to make it work. No one is paying him that amount of money. Not even Indy.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.

I really think you're reading the tea leaves incorrectly on this one. The Skins are rebuilding - their just not admitting to it in a straightforward manner. To put it more succinctly, Bruce Allen's "the future is now" remark was pure bullshit. Don't be mislead.

Because the Skiins are rebuilding, going after Peyton Manning would be the wrong move for this team. We are not going to be competing for a title for at least two more seasons, if nearly everything goes well. Not to mention that Peyton is a very big injury risk which the Skins cannot afford to take.

As for the Free Agent pickups. these were a different type of FAs for the Skins. They were younger mid-level FA's - not silver bullets but good players who filled needs - who should be around when the team has been rebuilt. To rebuild, we need good young players who were drafted and good young players who were acquired through Free Agency.

Our designated Franchise QB will almost certainly be drafted.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I really think you're reading the tea leaves incorrectly on this one. The Skins are rebuilding - their just not admitting to it in a straightforward manner. To put it more succinctly, Bruce Allen's "the future is now" remark was pure bullshit. Don't be mislead.

Because the Skiins are rebuilding, going after Peyton Manning would be the wrong move for this team. We are not going to be competing for a title for at least two more seasons, if nearly everything goes well. Not to mention that Peyton is a very big injury risk which the Skins cannot afford to take.

As for the Free Agent pickups. these were a different type of FAs for the Skins. They were younger mid-level FA's - not silver bullets but good players who filled needs - who should be around when the team has been rebuilt. To rebuild, we need good young players who were drafted and good young players who were acquired through Free Agency.

Our designated Franchise QB will almost certainly be drafted.

Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.

After the whole situation and reaction to the McNabb trade I can't even fathom what would happen if we got Manning. I think the world would explode. And at very least, my head...

[freddyg12]

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;868113]Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.[/QUOTE]

We ARE rebuilding, that doesn't mean they don't want to "win now." Of course they do, but other than the mcnabb deal the new regime has shown it will not do so at any cost. Compare our moves to Philly's this year.

This article in today's WP explains it well & gives some #s to back it up. Boswell even calls BS on Allen saying "the future is now."

Mike Shanahan is forging a new identity for the Redskins: Building through the draft - The Washington Post

[skinsfan69]

[quote=freddyg12;868116]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.[/QUOTE]

We ARE rebuilding, that doesn't mean they don't want to "win now." Of course they do, but other than the mcnabb deal the new regime has shown it will not do so at any cost. Compare our moves to Philly's this year.

This article in today's WP explains it well & gives some #s to back it up. Boswell even calls BS on Allen saying "the future is now."

Mike Shanahan is forging a new identity for the Redskins: Building through the draft - The Washington Post

We'll see what happens. I hope they keep building through the draft. I actually HATE the free agent route cause it's proven that it doesn't really work. I hope they draft RG3, build an offense around him and go from there.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I really think you're reading the tea leaves incorrectly on this one. The Skins are rebuilding - their just not admitting to it in a straightforward manner. To put it more succinctly, Bruce Allen's "the future is now" remark was pure bullshit. Don't be mislead.

Because the Skiins are rebuilding, going after Peyton Manning would be the wrong move for this team. We are not going to be competing for a title for at least two more seasons, if nearly everything goes well. Not to mention that Peyton is a very big injury risk which the Skins cannot afford to take.

As for the Free Agent pickups. these were a different type of FAs for the Skins. They were younger mid-level FA's - not silver bullets but good players who filled needs - who should be around when the team has been rebuilt. To rebuild, we need good young players who were drafted and good young players who were acquired through Free Agency.

Our designated Franchise QB will almost certainly be drafted.

I don't know where to point to suggest rebuilding is taking place. Shanahan says, and you can tell me if you think he is being dishonest, that the young players who are playing now are not necessarily doing so because they should be, but because there is no one else healthy enough to play.

Maybe there is some motive causing him to lie about the state of the organization. But with the general manager not believing in rebuilding, the head coach doesn't believe in rebuilding, and the owner not sure what the heck the difference is anyway, I would suggest that rebuilding is a figment of the fans imagination.

There is nothing fundamentally different with this organization now vs. five years ago. There are different decision-makers, being that Bruce Allen is not Vinny Cerrato, and Mike Shanahan is not Joe Gibbs, but whether or not the decisions are consistently better than in the Snyder-Cerrato-Gibbs days is not something I think I have enough evidence to pass an opinion on. I think it looks pretty similar.

The front office is pretty much the same guys as five years ago. The only thing different is a couple of people at the top who hold the authority. The fact that the scouting department is still marginalized is identical between the regimes.