Updated: Hightower Torn ACL/Moss Out 5-7 Weeks

[Hog1]

AND the number one reason we won't sign TO is because it's just.........stupid.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I was a big supporter of bringing TO in when he left Dallas/Bills on a 1 year basis. But now we have young receivers that we have to get in the mix for playing time. Beck may not be the answer, but TO - at this point - is clearly not. He is old, and I think the fact that no team has interest proves the point that his skills have clearly declined. I would rather go through this year getting our young receivers time on the field, so that whoever we draft will have some targets with experience.

A side note, I think Beck played well for his first start in 4 years. Lets see if he can get going with some time and experience, remember now he will be playing with nearly all the same WR's he had been practicing with. I still expect good, not great, things from him.

Totally agree with the getting younger. Just pointing out that if they want a WR that should already know the routes (not the terminology though) T.O. might should get a look. Older Vet to support the young guys. Thats what Moss was.

I get this bad feeling I watched the wrong Redskins game last weekend cause I'm totally suprised hearing people thinking Beck did well? He did no better then Grossman and committed the same mistakes. and the best answer to that is .."he did well for not having played in 4 yrs." Come on folks, unless I missed it he has practiced for 4 yrs and he has played in the preseason in the last 4 yrs and played rather well in our preseason games. He was not sitting on the couch at home waiting for a call, I'd definitly feel sorry for him if that was the case and probably feel like others feel that his outing was not too bad.

Lets call it what it is.... fans didn't like Grossman, didn't want Grossman, and found every reason in the book to blame the "teams" performance on him. Every single misque was Grossmans fault. Now that he's out, and the favoured QB (Beck) is in and the performance is exactly the same, fans come up with excuses.
"Oh, he was rusty"
"Oh, he was off balance"
"Oh, it was the WR's fault"
"Oh, the OL caused the fumble for not blocking"
"Oh, the WR's are dropping balls"
"Grossman did bad against bad or injured teams"
etc. etc.

Hello, Beck did just as bad, 1 INT (should have been 2) and 1 fumble. Against probably the worst defense.

Grossman is not the long term answer especially at 31yo. Beck having a similar outing against a bad defense is not the long term answer either at 30yo. So, if you want to start the young guns and see what they got and can do ya might as well throw in Jonathan Crompton at QB who's only 24. Lets see what he's got in order to decide if we definitly have to draft a QB next yr.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Owens to Redskins highly unlikely to happen - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Hog1

AND the number one reason we won't sign TO is because it's just.........stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Look. I'm not saying he's the answer. Just pointing out that our Vet on the WR team is down. Who do we have as a Vet? tell me your not going with Stallworth. Plus he was out injured with a hammie last week. Is he healthy? Is AA healthy after his hammie? Those injuries can last weeks also especially if they are brought back too soon.

Will the team go out and get T.O.? I doubt it. We'll see a heavy dose of Davis and Paulson, a lot of running, and all the young guns on the field. AA, Paul, Austin, Hankerson, and some other old guy who hasn't done much Stallworth.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.

Yup, it's the perfect time to get Paul, Austin, and Hankerson involved more.

Paul especially seems ready for a bigger workload.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Totally agree with the getting younger. Just pointing out that if they want a WR that should already know the routes (not the terminology though) T.O. might should get a look. Older Vet to support the young guys. Thats what Moss was.

I get this bad feeling I watched the wrong Redskins game last weekend cause I'm totally suprised hearing people thinking Beck did well? He did no better then Grossman and committed the same mistakes. and the best answer to that is .."he did well for not having played in 4 yrs." Come on folks, unless I missed it he has practiced for 4 yrs and he has played in the preseason in the last 4 yrs and played rather well in our preseason games. He was not sitting on the couch at home waiting for a call, I'd definitly feel sorry for him if that was the case and probably feel like others feel that his outing was not too bad.

Lets call it what it is.... fans didn't like Grossman, didn't want Grossman, and found every reason in the book to blame the "teams" performance on him. Every single misque was Grossmans fault. Now that he's out, and the favoured QB (Beck) is in and the performance is exactly the same, fans come up with excuses.
"Oh, he was rusty"
"Oh, he was off balance"
"Oh, it was the WR's fault"
"Oh, the OL caused the fumble for not blocking"
"Oh, the WR's are dropping balls"
"Grossman did bad against bad or injured teams"
etc. etc.

Hello, Beck did just as bad, 1 INT (should have been 2) and 1 fumble. Against probably the worst defense.

Grossman is not the long term answer especially at 31yo. Beck having a similar outing against a bad defense is not the long term answer either at 30yo. So, if you want to start the young guns and see what they got and can do ya might as well throw in Jonathan Crompton at QB who's only 24. Lets see what he's got in order to decide if we definitly have to draft a QB next yr.

Can't agree w/much of your evaluation of Beck's game. His stat line of 1 interception is appropriate, since he got away w/one & then the one he threw was debatable as to whose fault it was. It evens out. F. Davis said a couple last week were his fault, but Rex had a couple that were dropped v. Philly, don't forget that.

Sure Beck didn't make all the reads well, but he made plays moving in & out of the pocket that Rex is almost entirely incapable of. He didn't lose this game & yes, he did have a few big drops by recievers that could've made it a different game.

I saw a QB sunday that was a pretty big upgrade to what we had before. He'll have his bad games, he's not a great qb by any stretch, but he gives us more of a chance to win.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.

I couldn't agree more. :thumb:

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Can't agree w/much of your evaluation of Beck's game. His stat line of 1 interception is appropriate, since he got away w/one & then the one he threw was debatable as to whose fault it was. It evens out. F. Davis said a couple last week were his fault, but Rex had a couple that were dropped v. Philly, don't forget that.

Sure Beck didn't make all the reads well, but he made plays moving in & out of the pocket that Rex is almost entirely incapable of. He didn't lose this game & yes, he did have a few big drops by recievers that could've made it a different game.

I saw a QB sunday that was a pretty big upgrade to what we had before. He'll have his bad games, he's not a great qb by any stretch, but he gives us more of a chance to win.

I'm with you.

I thought Beck played well enough to where I'm curious to see what he can do as he gets more comfortable out there. Grossman is a known commodity, and we know what his ceiling is. Beck is still unknown in that regard.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.

The young guys should've been playing from day one and Stallworth and Gaffney shouldn't have been signed in the first place.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Stupid is as stupid does.

Look. I'm not saying he's the answer. Just pointing out that our Vet on the WR team is down. Who do we have as a Vet? tell me your not going with Stallworth. Plus he was out injured with a hammie last week. Is he healthy? Is AA healthy after his hammie? Those injuries can last weeks also especially if they are brought back too soon.

Will the team go out and get T.O.? I doubt it. We'll see a heavy dose of Davis and Paulson, a lot of running, and all the young guns on the field. AA, Paul, Austin, Hankerson, and some other old guy who hasn't done much Stallworth.

Why do we need a vet out there? Guys all around the league get drafted and play right away.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The young guys should've been playing from day one and Stallworth and Gaffney shouldn't have been signed in the first place.

I agree, Stallworth should be cut and Kareem Moore activated.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Stupid is as stupid does.

Look. I'm not saying he's the answer. Just pointing out that our Vet on the WR team is down. Who do we have as a Vet? tell me your not going with Stallworth. Plus he was out injured with a hammie last week. Is he healthy? Is AA healthy after his hammie? Those injuries can last weeks also especially if they are brought back too soon.

Will the team go out and get T.O.? I doubt it. We'll see a heavy dose of Davis and Paulson, a lot of running, and all the young guns on the field. AA, Paul, Austin, Hankerson, and some other old guy who hasn't done much Stallworth.

It IS stupid because:
We are in rebuild mode.....
We need to audition our young guys.
We are not going to....seriously challenge this year.
TO is done....
EVEN if he is not.....we are not one player away...
HTTR! I admire your....Chutzpah

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It IS stupid because:
We are in rebuild mode.....
We need to audition our young guys.
We are not going to....seriously challenge this year.
TO is done....
EVEN if he is not.....we are not one player away...
HTTR! I admire your....Chutzpah

All accurate points.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Totally agree with the getting younger. Just pointing out that if they want a WR that should already know the routes (not the terminology though) T.O. might should get a look. Older Vet to support the young guys. Thats what Moss was.

I get this bad feeling I watched the wrong Redskins game last weekend cause I'm totally suprised hearing people thinking Beck did well? He did no better then Grossman and committed the same mistakes. and the best answer to that is .."he did well for not having played in 4 yrs." Come on folks, unless I missed it he has practiced for 4 yrs and he has played in the preseason in the last 4 yrs and played rather well in our preseason games. He was not sitting on the couch at home waiting for a call, I'd definitly feel sorry for him if that was the case and probably feel like others feel that his outing was not too bad.

Lets call it what it is.... fans didn't like Grossman, didn't want Grossman, and found every reason in the book to blame the "teams" performance on him. Every single misque was Grossmans fault. Now that he's out, and the favoured QB (Beck) is in and the performance is exactly the same, fans come up with excuses.
"Oh, he was rusty"
"Oh, he was off balance"
"Oh, it was the WR's fault"
"Oh, the OL caused the fumble for not blocking"
"Oh, the WR's are dropping balls"
"Grossman did bad against bad or injured teams"
etc. etc.

Hello, Beck did just as bad, 1 INT (should have been 2) and 1 fumble. Against probably the worst defense.

Grossman is not the long term answer especially at 31yo. Beck having a similar outing against a bad defense is not the long term answer either at 30yo. So, if you want to start the young guns and see what they got and can do ya might as well throw in Jonathan Crompton at QB who's only 24. Lets see what he's got in order to decide if we definitly have to draft a QB next yr.

I hate getting lumped in with "fans". Fact of the matter is (regardless of my avatar sig) I would support Grossman if he is in, and Beck if he is in. Neither is a top 10 qb, and each gives some positives the other doesn't have. The one difference, is we don't know that Beck can be a starter or backup. Rex is a definitely a quality back up. Since this is the 2nd year in what should be a 3 year plan, as I see it, and next year we will bring in the "true qb", it's more important to me at this point, without entirely giving up on catching lightning in a bottle, that we know who will be the 2nd string qb next year, and if we can count on any of these young receivers to step into a spotlight role.

As for TO and bringing in a vet presence, well Gaffney clearly can be that player, he is a aged vet with apparently good locker room skills, and a good attitude. Moss isn't on IR so he is going to be in the meetings, working with the young WR's, and hopefully encouraging them. Honestly I could see this being a great opportunity for him to step up and be a serious mentor especially to TA (I think) who has said often that he wants to model himself after Santana.

Rex is Rex, Beck is Beck, neither are awesomeness incarnate.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Can't agree w/much of your evaluation of Beck's game. His stat line of 1 interception is appropriate, since he got away w/one & then the one he threw was debatable as to whose fault it was. It evens out. F. Davis said a couple last week were his fault, but Rex had a couple that were dropped v. Philly, don't forget that.

Sure Beck didn't make all the reads well, but he made plays moving in & out of the pocket that Rex is almost entirely incapable of. He didn't lose this game & yes, he did have a few big drops by recievers that could've made it a different game.

I saw a QB sunday that was a pretty big upgrade to what we had before. He'll have his bad games, he's not a great qb by any stretch, but he gives us more of a chance to win.

We definitly watched two different games. The only difference I witnessed was Beck's mobility which was not on display for the INT, almost INT, and fumble. He was in the pocket. Just like Grossman was for his mistakes.