Start John Beck Madness Thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?

We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by mooby

We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.

Seriously. John Beck is an average mobile QB in today's NFL. If that.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by mooby

We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.

I in no way eluded to him being Vick-like, or made a remotely similar comparison. It's quite literal really. "More athletic", which he is. How slender, or vast the margin is clearly open to interpretation. But obviously even a detractor is willing to admit he's "more mobile", which I'd say is a check in the box for Beck.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I in no way eluded to him being Vick-like, or made a remotely similar comparison. It's quite literal really. "More athletic", which he is. How slender, or vast the margin is clearly open to interpretation. But obviously even a detractor is willing to admit he's "more mobile", which I'd say is a check in the box for Beck.

I agreed with you earlier but I was thinking more along the lines of opening up more throwing lanes. I also agree Grossman does not have to be Vick like to accomplish that.

A QB with even average mobility can make a 2D passing game so much more simply by angle of attack. So I think your point on mobility is valid in many ways.

[#56fanatic]

Reading all this crap about changing QB's, you'd think we were 1-3. People are ridiculous, and Redskins fans just cant be happy. You all are pointing to the last quarter of the Dallas game, and the Rams game. Armstrong being out is not allowing us to stretch the field, which in turn isn't freeing up some of those middle routes we were use to seeing the first couple of games. that is one reason the passing game has taken a bit of a hit the last two games.

INT's - how many has he thrown 5?? How many of those are off recievers hands that should have been caught?? 3 or 4. ONly really bad one I can remember was the one vs the Rams. Two fumbles, one was at the end of the game where he was trying to make a play running outside the pocket and got hit from behind. That happes a TON in the NFL, to any QB and most QB;s that get caught from behind.

Its ridiculous to have these discussions. Two wins are related to Rex being able to make big plays and win the games. Giants and Cardinals. No one is talking about that. Everyone is bitching and moaning because of what Rex's reputation is and honestly its a bit overplayed. Rex has been playing pretty good when you get down to it. Taking what he is given, not forcing too many balls (as he has in the past), checking down and throwing balls away.

WE ARE 3-1 FOR F*CK SAKE. how bout we act like it

[irish]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Reading all this crap about changing QB's, you'd think we were 1-3. People are ridiculous, and Redskins fans just cant be happy. You all are pointing to the last quarter of the Dallas game, and the Rams game. Armstrong being out is not allowing us to stretch the field, which in turn isn't freeing up some of those middle routes we were use to seeing the first couple of games. that is one reason the passing game has taken a bit of a hit the last two games.

INT's - how many has he thrown 5?? How many of those are off recievers hands that should have been caught?? 3 or 4. ONly really bad one I can remember was the one vs the Rams. Two fumbles, one was at the end of the game where he was trying to make a play running outside the pocket and got hit from behind. That happes a TON in the NFL, to any QB and most QB;s that get caught from behind.

Its ridiculous to have these discussions. Two wins are related to Rex being able to make big plays and win the games. Giants and Cardinals. No one is talking about that. Everyone is bitching and moaning because of what Rex's reputation is and honestly its a bit overplayed. Rex has been playing pretty good when you get down to it. Taking what he is given, not forcing too many balls (as he has in the past), checking down and throwing balls away.

WE ARE 3-1 FOR F*CK SAKE. how bout we act like it

Its so rare that the Skins are 3-1 and actually looking good that Skins fans dont know how to act.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Reading all this crap about changing QB's, you'd think we were 1-3. People are ridiculous, and Redskins fans just cant be happy. You all are pointing to the last quarter of the Dallas game, and the Rams game. Armstrong being out is not allowing us to stretch the field, which in turn isn't freeing up some of those middle routes we were use to seeing the first couple of games. that is one reason the passing game has taken a bit of a hit the last two games.

INT's - how many has he thrown 5?? How many of those are off recievers hands that should have been caught?? 3 or 4. ONly really bad one I can remember was the one vs the Rams. Two fumbles, one was at the end of the game where he was trying to make a play running outside the pocket and got hit from behind. That happes a TON in the NFL, to any QB and most QB;s that get caught from behind.

Its ridiculous to have these discussions. Two wins are related to Rex being able to make big plays and win the games. Giants and Cardinals. No one is talking about that. Everyone is bitching and moaning because of what Rex's reputation is and honestly its a bit overplayed. Rex has been playing pretty good when you get down to it. Taking what he is given, not forcing too many balls (as he has in the past), checking down and throwing balls away.

WE ARE 3-1 FOR F*CK SAKE. how bout we act like it

Earlier in this thread you said it was 2-3 ints that could not be attributed to Rex. Now it seems to be 3-4. Pretty soon Rex won't be held accountable for any of his miscues on the field.

No true Redskins fan is discouraged with a 3-1 start. Especially when you consider that a couple of those wins could have easily gone in the other direction. But just because we're 3-1 does not mean we should simply stand pat, rest on our laurels, and delude ourselves into believing that everything is coming up roses in the mystical land of burgundy and gold. Any team, regardless of record, is always looking to repair, or replace areas where cogs in the machine are poorly functioning. QB is one of those cogs.

As I said before, Grossman has yet to throw a completion for over 40 yds this season. That includes the first 2 games with AA present. Last season we were #1 in the NFL in passes over 50. If you're going to employ a run first attack, you should atleast be of the mindset that in pounding the rock, and pulling LBs and safeties into the box, your main objective in the passing game is to exploit the lack of coverage downfield. And if Rex were throwing ints in those circumstances where he's attempting to stretch the field vertically I don't think I'd be as harsh of a critic, because in all reality the worst that could happen is the DB runs the int back for a TD, and that is pretty rare once you've already effected the the amount of field, and distance he has to cover in order to find the endzone. In the pro catagory, your receiver catches the pass, which rapidly impacts the field position, and drastically improves your scoring opportunities. Or your receiver catches the pass, shakes his coverage, and scores. Or you draw a flag, holding, or pass interference. Either option extends the drive. Or you throw an incompletion and live to play another down.

I've already addressed, in previous posts in this thread and others, the deficiencies I see in Rex's game so I don't feel the need to rehash all of that. I'll just say that everything you've stated has already been covered from a diametric view.

We're not classless fans who are never satisfied. We're a collective group of realists who have the foresight to recognize when something is amiss. You can't dismiss critical thought from a progessive discussion just because you don't like a schism.