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[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I still can't figure out what Beck has done that makes so many people think he is going to make this team so much better

By that logic we should have kept McNabb and never replaced him with Rex in the first place.

or that he is a better option than Rex. Is it his career 56% completion percentage, his 1-3 TD to INT ratio, or maybe it is his whopping 111 yards passing per game played. Is it his career 56% completion percentage, his 1-3 TD to INT ratio, or maybe it is his whopping 111 yards passing per game played.

You mean the numbers he put up 5 years ago as a rookie on a terrible Miami team?

I know, I know...it is because he runs the bootleg better...Yep, better get him in there against Philly next game. CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

You're dismissing the arguments relevant to the 2011 Redskins and their current offensive system.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

By that logic we should have kept McNabb and never replaced him with Rex in the first place.



You mean the numbers he put up 5 years ago as a rookie on a terrible Miami team?



You're dismissing the arguments relevant to the 2011 Redskins and their current offensive system.

Wrong, letting McNabb go and switching to Beck are two completely different scenarios. There is absolutely no correlation between the two.

And yes those are the only numbers there are on Beck...what else is there that shows what he is capable of other than preseason?

And finally I am not dismissing anything. I am simply saying it's a bad idea to switch QBs and that there is absolutely nothing out there that would elude to that being a good idea right now.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Wrong, letting McNabb go and switching to Beck are two completely different scenarios. There is absolutely no correlation between the two.

If we go back to the switch last year I could easily say everything you're saying about Beck and more. "What has Rex done lately. McNabb has constantly taken his teams to the playoffs, he's a proven veteran. Rex hasn't started a full season since 2006 what makes you think he's going to be better then McNabb? McNabb is a 6 time pro bowler."

And yes those are the only numbers there are on Beck...what else is there that shows what he is capable of other than preseason?

There are no recent numbers outside of the preseason. However that only means so much. Enough QB's have taken off with sparse NFL resumes (ie only preseason starts and a game or two of clean up duty). Matt Schuab, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck,

And finally I am not dismissing anything. I am simply saying it's a bad idea to switch QBs and that there is absolutely nothing out there that would elude to that being a good idea right now.

And ironically I'm not even demanding that Rex be pulled, but I would like to see the coaching staff strongly consider it and decide that if they're going to make the switch that the best time to do so would be the bye week where you could get more reps.

Still I don't care about 3-1 as evidence as to why we should keep Rex. If anyone cares about selling someone like me who's standing on the ledge talk about the third down conversions, the opening drive, the key drops by Hightower and Moss that could have changed the final part of the game. Either way this two turnovers a game trend has to improve. It has to. We cannot win games long term, especially in the playoffs turning the ball over twice a game.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

If we go back to the switch last year I could easily say everything you're saying about Beck and more. "What has Rex done lately. McNabb has constantly taken his teams to the playoffs, he's a proven veteran. Rex hasn't started a full season since 2006 what makes you think he's going to be better then McNabb? McNabb is a 6 time pro bowler."




There are no recent numbers outside of the preseason. However that only means so much. Enough QB's have taken off with sparse NFL resumes (ie only preseason starts and a game or two of clean up duty). Matt Schuab, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck,



And ironically I'm not even demanding that Rex be pulled, but I would like to see the coaching staff strongly consider it and decide that if they're going to make the switch that the best time to do so would be the bye week where you could get more reps.

Still I don't care about 3-1 as evidence as to why we should keep Rex. If anyone cares about selling someone like me who's standing on the ledge talk about the third down conversions, the opening drive, the key drops by Hightower and Moss that could have changed the final part of the game. Either way this two turnovers a game trend has to improve. It has to. We cannot win games long term, especially in the playoffs turning the ball over twice a game.

I don't want to sell anything, I'm just thankful that you are not the one making the decision. It would be a bad one.

There may very well be a point in the season where it is time to go to Beck for whatever reason, but right now is not the time. I still think that barring an injury or Rex just completely coming unravelled and losing a game that we should win all by himself - he will be there all year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

If we go back to the switch last year I could easily say everything you're saying about Beck and more. "What has Rex done lately. McNabb has constantly taken his teams to the playoffs, he's a proven veteran. Rex hasn't started a full season since 2006 what makes you think he's going to be better then McNabb? McNabb is a 6 time pro bowler."

There is a significant difference between "What has Rex done lately?" and "What has Beck ever done?"

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There is a significant difference between "What has Rex done lately?" and "What has Beck ever done?"

The decision was made to go with Grossman and Shanahan should stand by his decision until/unless he becomes convinced he cannot win with him, or he get's injured.

I'm convinced before the season is over there's going to be more Grossman vs. Beck discussions. Imagine what this discussion would be like had we actually lost to the Rams and Grossman's two picks were the culprit. The fact we won the game is the main reason why there aren't more fans calling for Beck.....the most popular guy on the team......