2011 NFL Free Agency-Part 3

[skinster]

sorry if this has already been addressed. Theres a million posts I'd need to read through, but how did we not get ryan harris? He signed a one year contract for the vet minimum with the eagles. We couldn't give him a three year 6 million dollar contract contract to be our backup? We could cut hicks and be done with that poop. He was drafted by shanny, and from what I understand did pretty well in our blocking scheme.

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by skinster

sorry if this has already been addressed. Theres a million posts I'd need to read through, but how did we not get ryan harris? He signed a one year contract for the vet minimum with the eagles. We couldn't give him a three year 6 million dollar contract contract to be our backup? We could cut hicks and be done with that poop.

With health would you garuantee anything more than vet min? And it looks like everyone wants a shot at the Dream Team. We are "reloading," while they are blowing their wad.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

With health would you garuantee anything more than vet min? And it looks like everyone wants a shot at the Dream Team. We are "reloading," while they are blowing their wad.

tripple a years salary would make anybody coming off of a rookies salary take the money. These guys don't play very long. The ones that don't make millions every year don't always have the luxury of picking the team where their heart is. I didn't know health was a concern with him. If it is, I'd still risk it and give him two mil based off of his past success with shanny. Maybe his health concerns really are that bad, or have changed his level of play.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinster

tripple a years salary would make anybody coming off of a rookies salary take the money. These guys don't play very long. The ones that don't make millions every year don't always have the luxury of picking the team where their heart is. I didn't know health was a concern with him. If it is, I'd still risk it and give him two mil based off of his past success with shanny. Maybe his health concerns really are that bad, or have changed his level of play.

Andy Reid -- Not so fast on Philadelphia Eagles' 'Dream Team' - ESPN


Listen to the video from Schefter why people are going there.

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by skinster

tripple a years salary would make anybody coming off of a rookies salary take the money. These guys don't play very long. The ones that don't make millions every year don't always have the luxury of picking the team where their heart is. I didn't know health was a concern with him. If it is, I'd still risk it and give him two mil based off of his past success with shanny. Maybe his health concerns really are that bad, or have changed his level of play.

He is coming of knee surgery, it might not be a huge deal as he is expected to compete for a starting role in Philly. I think we have the cap space and need really, but Philly is the "place to be" right now. Shanny would be the best judge and it looks like he had some concerns. I have had my dose of Happy Pills and just waiting for the plan to unfold.

My bad nix the surgery thing but he did miss a bit of time with ankle issues last year.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinster

sorry if this has already been addressed. Theres a million posts I'd need to read through, but how did we not get ryan harris? He signed a one year contract for the vet minimum with the eagles. We couldn't give him a three year 6 million dollar contract contract to be our backup? We could cut hicks and be done with that poop. He was drafted by shanny, and from what I understand did pretty well in our blocking scheme.

You do realize that many of these guys going to Philly are taking less money to play there. You can't hold a gun to a FA's head and force them to come here.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinster

sorry if this has already been addressed. Theres a million posts I'd need to read through, but how did we not get ryan harris? He signed a one year contract for the vet minimum with the eagles. We couldn't give him a three year 6 million dollar contract contract to be our backup? We could cut hicks and be done with that poop. He was drafted by shanny, and from what I understand did pretty well in our blocking scheme.

I've wondered why we didn't get Harris, too. Maybe a far better chance to start in Philly was persuasive to him.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I've wondered why we didn't get Harris, too. Maybe a far better chance to start in Philly was persuasive to him.

Is it POSSIBLE that Ryan Harris might not want to play under Mike Shanahan again?

If he thought that he did not have a fair chance to start for the Skins given the state of their OL, he would definitely have gone wherever the biggest paycheck would have been.

The fact is that the Redskins image around the league as of August 2011 is not a good one - - unless all you are looking for is a big payday. I am not saying that is a "proper image" or that the "image will never change", but that is what is out there at the moment.

Bruce Allen and the Shanahans need to change that as quickly as possible and THE best way to do that is to win more games than they lose.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Is it POSSIBLE that Ryan Harris might not want to play under Mike Shanahan again?

I always thought Brown was the easier choice. the only advantage Harris had over Brown was age. He also has the all important familiarity with the Skins version of the Shanahan system as opposed to Harris who's two years removed.

Also lets not forget, Harris hasn't played at least 15 games in a season since 2008. Brown did it last year while hurt. I maintain that Harris is a good fit for the Eagles but part of that is due to having Winston Justice backing him up. If Harris went down for us we'd be pretty screwed.

To put it simply virtually every scout will tell you that Brown is better then Harris in terms of run blocking, pass blocking, durability, versatility, and leadership. And to top it off Brown came back at a reasonable price. Either way we're talking about comparing a pro bowl caliber player to a very solid but oft injured player.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Dirtbag59:

You may be absolutely correct - - but let's not pass off Jammal Brown's injury history as some minor trivial matter here. HIs injury history is quite significant in and of itself.

And there is no reason that the Skins could not have had both Harris and Brown; it isn't as if there are HoF quality players lining up at the other OL positions...

Oh, and with regard to the Eagles' OL, one of the main reasons - - if not THE main reason - - the Eagles needed to get a RT to protect Vick's blind side is because Winston Justice remains on the PUP List. King Dunlop was running with the first team in practice and that might not be the permanent answer for a team that hopes to make a run in the playoffs...

Philly fans translate the words "King Dunlop" to mean "Stephon Heyer" at RT...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Is it POSSIBLE that Ryan Harris might not want to play under Mike Shanahan again?

If he thought that he did not have a fair chance to start for the Skins given the state of their OL, he would definitely have gone wherever the biggest paycheck would have been.

The fact is that the Redskins image around the league as of August 2011 is not a good one - - unless all you are looking for is a big payday. I am not saying that is a "proper image" or that the "image will never change", but that is what is out there at the moment.

Bruce Allen and the Shanahans need to change that as quickly as possible and THE best way to do that is to win more games than they lose.

For what it is worth, I read an article in which Harris seemed to be very positive about coming to work with Shanny again but was concerned about an opportunity to start, as he was targeting teams clearly in the market for a tackle.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Lotus

For what it is worth, I read an article in which Harris seemed to be very positive about coming to work with Shanny again but was concerned about an opportunity to start, as he was targeting teams clearly in the market for a tackle.

I'm not disappointed about missing out on Harris. I wanted him as our fallback option when it looked like Jammal Brown would get paid by another team, but with Brown returning, we do not need Harris. He's also a big injury risk. He knew Mike Shanahan's offense, but he'd be a downgrade from Jammal.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I'm not disappointed about missing out on Harris. I wanted him as our fallback option when it looked like Jammal Brown would get paid by another team, but with Brown returning, we do not need Harris. He's also a big injury risk. He knew Mike Shanahan's offense, but he'd be a downgrade from Jammal.

Yeah, I know, I don't think not getting Harris is a major miss. But he would have made good depth. If he's just a backup, his troublesome injury history is less important.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Is it POSSIBLE that Ryan Harris might not want to play under Mike Shanahan again?

If he thought that he did not have a fair chance to start for the Skins given the state of their OL, he would definitely have gone wherever the biggest paycheck would have been.

The fact is that the Redskins image around the league as of August 2011 is not a good one - - unless all you are looking for is a big payday. I am not saying that is a "proper image" or that the "image will never change", but that is what is out there at the moment.

Bruce Allen and the Shanahans need to change that as quickly as possible and THE best way to do that is to win more games than they lose.

He would have signed with us in less than 5 seconds if we hadn't chosen Brown first