How far can Beck take us?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?

How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.

How many SBs did Elway loose before he won two? They were only champions when they were together...however, Shanahan still was in the playoffs a bunch.