Free Agency/Franchise Tag thread 2011

[CultBrennan59]

^You cannot sit here and tell me that the Colts OLine is good without manning.
Luck is more mature than half the players in the NFL. He's not a guy that's going to be in nightclubs or knocking up girls left and right. Beck hasn't played in years, so how can you say he gets the ball out quicker than McNabb. Theres a reason McNabbs been starting longer than both of them combined. Worst case, Luck is Matt Schaub, best case he's better than Manning. I think you're the one talking out of more than two holes.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

^You cannot sit here and tell me that the Colts OLine is good without manning.
Luck is more mature than half the players in the NFL. He's not a guy that's going to be in nightclubs or knocking up girls left and right. Beck hasn't played in years, so how can you say he gets the ball out quicker than McNabb. Theres a reason McNabbs been starting longer than both of them combined. Worst case, Luck is Matt Schaub, best case he's better than Manning. I think you're the one talking out of more than two holes.

Jake Locker was supposed to be like Andrew Luck. He stayed in college an extra season and his draft stock tumbled.

Luck might do the same. He'll be without his coach (Harbaugh) next season. This will be a great test to see what he's really made of.

I don't understand how people put so much value on a QB whose college career is not even complete.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Jake Locker was supposed to be like Andrew Luck. He stayed in college an extra season and his draft stock tumbled.

Luck might do the same. He'll be without his coach (Harbaugh) next season. This will be a great test to see what he's really made of.

I don't understand how people put so much value on a QB whose college career is not even complete.

I wasn't a Locker fan, even when I saw his 'great' junior year. I see your argument. I got a question for you. How much college football do you watch? Do you watch different conferences games like I do, or do you just watch little to no college football? I say this because if you watch a lot of college football you need to watch a lot of pac-10 football, specifically Stanford, like I did. Its a good conference to watch because the Pac-10 produces good NFL caliber players. Point being that Luck his freshman year started and performed great, his sophomore year he improved from his freshman year and was talked about the best player in the draft, I find it hard that next year he'll be worse than this year, he still has his OC, whom is now his head coach. So sure I guess we can see if there will be much of a difference in him this year, but I highly doubt he'll be worse.

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I don't understand how people put so much value on a QB whose college career is not even complete.

Because everyone wants to be able to say "I told you so". It's why people who were perfectly fine with us drafting Jason Campbell in '05 are now complaining about not drafting Aaron Rodgers and that they knew it and "saw it all along".

Oh, I forgot Joe Flacco in that list of quarterbacks.

There's clearly a blueprint that's been working. It's a blueprint even Mike followed with Brian Griese and then with Jay Cutler in Denver, before he got canned.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Jake Locker was supposed to be like Andrew Luck. He stayed in college an extra season and his draft stock tumbled.

Luck might do the same. He'll be without his coach (Harbaugh) next season. This will be a great test to see what he's really made of.

I don't understand how people put so much value on a QB whose college career is not even complete.

Exactly. He could also blow out a knee or shoulder that could set him back a year or two.
One of the biggest mistakes people make is they see a college player like Luck on tape do incredible things and think it will automatically transfer to the NFL. Yesterday I watched a very informative episode of ESPN's 'College Football Live' and they did a very good segment on the top college QB's. Besides being amazed at the quantity and quality of the top college Qb's, there are many. What really was eye opening was the highlights of these top Qb's and seeing them run over players that will never be good enough to play in the NFL. Especially Luck's highlights against some really undersized and lacking in ability PAC 10 players. The bottom of the PAc 10 is not very talented.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Exactly. He could also blow out a knee or shoulder that could set him back a year or two.
One of the biggest mistakes people make is they see a college player like Luck on tape do incredible things and think it will automatically transfer to the NFL. Yesterday I watched a very informative episode of ESPN's 'College Football Live' and they did a very good segment on the top college QB's. Besides being amazed at the quantity and quality of the top college Qb's, there are many. What really was eye opening was the highlights of these top Qb's and seeing them run over players that will never be good enough to play in the NFL. Especially Luck's highlights against some really undersized and lacking in ability PAC 10 players. The bottom of the PAc 10 is not very talented.

Lockers potential was almost always based on his physical gifts and intangibles. Not his production. Keep in mind Luck completed 70% of his passes in a pro style offense. He will probably be one of the 10 best running QB's in the league as well.

The year before fine, the production wasn't all that different from Lockers. However when Gerhart left and Luck was given control of the offense he shined. His numbers are extremely impressive and combined with his physical attributes and intangibles theres little doubt why he's the highest rated player to come along in about 10 years.

You're dreaming if you can envision a scenario where Luck isn't the top pick next year.