26-27-60 QB formula

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Also looks like I was wrong about Ponder being a third round pick.
Schefter: Dalton, Ponder both likely to go in first round | ProFootballTalk

No matter. Next Friday the Redskins will draft Locker at 10 and suddenly the title of Warpath Rain Man will be mine. ALL MINE!

I respectfully offer that you have undervalued Ponder, our future Pro Bowl QB, all along.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I respectfully offer that you have undervalued Ponder, our future Pro Bowl QB, all along.

Well in my defense it was never me assigning him a third round grade. If I had to grade him I would say late first is where he deserves to go based on his talent.

The reason I kept on saying that he was a third round pick was based on what happened to Colt McCoy last year being pretty similar. The main difference between the two is that Colt was more accomplished but Ponder had experience in a pro style offense making the two a push. In fact I thought that Ponders injury concerns were much worse then that of Colts going into last year.

Still maybe I'm overreacting to this speculation as I've heard it before. Most notably with Chris Simms in the days leading up to the draft. So in the end maybe I'll be right in terms of where I've said he'll be drafted. However I wouldn't bat an eye if Ponder ended up as a late first round pick.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Well in my defense it was never me assigning him a third round grade. If I had to grade him I would say late first is where he deserves to go based on his talent.

The reason I kept on saying that he was a third round pick was based on what happened to Colt McCoy last year being pretty similar. The main difference between the two is that Colt was more accomplished but Ponder had experience in a pro style offense making the two a push. In fact I thought that Ponders injury concerns were much worse then that of Colts going into last year.

Still maybe I'm overreacting to this speculation as I've heard it before. Most notably with Chris Simms in the days leading up to the draft. So in the end maybe I'll be right in terms of where I've said he'll be drafted. However I wouldn't bat an eye if Ponder ended up as a late first round pick.

I think you are right on with your Colt McCoy example. We keep hearing that tons of QB's will be taken in the first round this year but McCoy's example makes that seem unlikely. Yes, there are many teams that need QB's and have no recourse to free agency, making this year different. But most of the QB's this year are not immediate starters so I still don't see a first round stampede. This is not a 1983 crop. A run on QB's in the second round, maybe, but there are too many top-quality defensive players this year which will demand first round choices.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Well in my defense it was never me assigning him a third round grade. If I had to grade him I would say late first is where he deserves to go based on his talent.

The reason I kept on saying that he was a third round pick was based on what happened to Colt McCoy last year being pretty similar. The main difference between the two is that Colt was more accomplished but Ponder had experience in a pro style offense making the two a push. In fact I thought that Ponders injury concerns were much worse then that of Colts going into last year.

Still maybe I'm overreacting to this speculation as I've heard it before. Most notably with Chris Simms in the days leading up to the draft. So in the end maybe I'll be right in terms of where I've said he'll be drafted. However I wouldn't bat an eye if Ponder ended up as a late first round pick.

Originally Posted by Lotus

I think you are right on with your Colt McCoy example. We keep hearing that tons of QB's will be taken in the first round this year but McCoy's example makes that seem unlikely. Yes, there are many teams that need QB's and have no recourse to free agency, making this year different. But most of the QB's this year are not immediate starters so I still don't see a first round stampede. This is not a 1983 crop. A run on QB's in the second round, maybe, but there are too many top-quality defensive players this year which will demand first round choices.

Agree with the quick consensus. We're hearing that seven different passers could go in round one. That's nominally true. But I don't think more than one or two teams are going to be able to go up into the first round to get guys they like because of the limit of what they can give up.

Then the recent history shows that: while Colt McCoy and Jimmy Clausen had first round draft profiles, not only did teams not trade up into the first round to get them, no team traded up at all to get them.