A look back at the 2008 draft

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Agreed, but for we fans that are on the outside looking in, we can easily point to teams around the league that win, & most, if not all, value their draft picks. Sure you have to draft well, but if you give up your chances at it, it doesn't matter cause in the end you won't have depth.

That's what's even more frustrating about the 08 draft; we got more picks yet didn't capitalize enough. In fairness to Vinny et al, the Skins really have drafted decently over the years, e.g. this team hasn't had a costly first round bust for years. We just haven't had enough picks due to trades.

Five years, to be exact.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Five years, to be exact.

So are you callin JC a bust? It didn't work out the way we'd hoped, but for a qb at #25 it wasn't a pick that set the team back w/no return. He started for a few years & was avg. He didn't make a ton of $ & impact the cap like a top 10 pick.

To call him a bust is relative, I don't think he was. In the end, we even got a return on the investment - 4th round pick.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

So are you callin JC a bust? It didn't work out the way we'd hoped, but for a qb at #25 it wasn't a pick that set the team back w/no return. He started for a few years & was avg. He didn't make a ton of $ & impact the cap like a top 10 pick.

To call him a bust is relative, I don't think he was. In the end, we even got a return on the investment - 4th round pick.

On an objective level, since he's shown he can play at some decent level. But in terms of the investment we put into him, he definitely is a bust. He was kind financially, but in terms of helping us grab quality players, our move to get him hurt us greatly.
We coughed up pretty supply of picks(A third in 2005, a first from 2006, and a 4th from 2006) to move up and use the 25th pick to grab him. The fourth rounder from Oakland just makes up for the 4th rounder coughed up to Denver in 2006.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

So are you callin JC a bust? It didn't work out the way we'd hoped, but for a qb at #25 it wasn't a pick that set the team back w/no return. He started for a few years & was avg. He didn't make a ton of $ & impact the cap like a top 10 pick.

To call him a bust is relative, I don't think he was. In the end, we even got a return on the investment - 4th round pick.

I think the fact that we overpaid so very, very much for McNabb's advanced skill set greatly overshadows the fact that a 4th round pick is a pretty good return for Jason Campbell in a buyers market. One of the big problems I had with the trade is that we were keeping the status quo, not changing it. Had we ACTUALLY gone in a different direction (like Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy), that's about as valuable as you can expect a non-elite player off a losing team to go for. So kudos for getting that, front office.

Unfortunately, they then (well, previously) traded a second AND a fourth for an equally non-elite quarterback in the same buyer's market. Way to go.

Sorry for the post-run.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Five years, to be exact.

Rocky McIntosh was our last costly bust. Devin Thomas, obviously, the most recent bust of a pick in the top two rounds, but all that cost us was a 2nd rounder (and maybe a playoff spot in 2008, given the fact that we were a win or two away).

[jamf]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Rocky McIntosh was our last costly bust. Devin Thomas, obviously, the most recent bust of a pick in the top two rounds, but all that cost us was a 2nd rounder (and maybe a playoff spot in 2008, given the fact that we were a win or two away).

What is your definition of a bust?
What level of play do you expect out of a second round linebacker?

I get the impression you want him to be Clay Matthews.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jamf

What is your definition of a bust?
What level of play do you expect out of a second round linebacker?

I get the impression you want him to be Clay Matthews.

Competency = not a bust. There's a little bit of a curve at the top of a draft. A top five pick like Robert Gallery who needs to kick inside to have value is probably a draft bust. It's more acceptable for the 14th overall pick, such as Chris Williams, to kick inside to left guard in my mind. Maybe that's just me, since there's not much of a difference there, just about $15 million.

I think, if Rocky McIntosh was a competent but unspectacular starter, he could be labeled an overdraft. Considering his best days came in 2007, he's not an overdraft, he's a bust who has survived on a complete lack of depth.