Big Al suspended for the remainder of season

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Chances of that happening: 0.0%

Here's the way I see it:

Shanahan wants dedicated, hard-workers. If AH was just another regular guy, he would have been cut a while ago for his lack of dedication, a la Devin Thomas.

However, I think they held onto him because of the potential. If he does ever mature, he'll be great. So, the question is: will he mature? Brandon Lloyd did, so anything is possible.

[GMScud]

Haynesworth told Bruce Allen yesterday that he wasn't going to speak with Shanahan anymore. WTF. What a pile of shit this guy is.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Here's the way I see it:

Shanahan wants dedicated, hard-workers. If AH was just another regular guy, he would have been cut a while ago for his lack of dedication, a la Devin Thomas.

However, I think they held onto him because of the potential. If he does ever mature, he'll be great. So, the question is: will he mature? Brandon Lloyd did, so anything is possible.

I think it is more of a matter that AH had 35m of the owners $$ and he would like to get some back
Building a case...
Could only suspend him for 4 games...
Keeping him around to build the case....

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

However, I think they held onto him because of the potential. If he does ever mature, he'll be great. So, the question is: will he mature? Brandon Lloyd did, so anything is possible.

Not quite. They kept him purely because of the money involved, and example it would have shown had they did so. You don't give a man 21 million dollars (after asking him over and over if he was going to cooperate) and then cut him without him giving money back. That's exactly what he wanted. You also don't trade him for unless he gives money back for the exact same reason. Listen to Shanny and read between the lines. Hell, he was direct about it. He flat out said that AH wasn't going anywhere (released or traded) unless he was willing to give some of that money back.

Shanny is smart and knows what he's doing. The players hate AH and for the coach to let this douche bag to get his way, it would have open the floodgates for the rest of the idiots in the league to do the same thing. You mean I can get paid upfront money, act like a douche bag, get cut/traded and get more money? WHERE DO I SIGN UP AT? This way, he sits at home and rots.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not quite. They kept him purely because of the money involved, and example it would have shown had they did so. You don't give a man 21 million dollars (after asking him over and over if he was going to cooperate) and then cut him without him giving money back. That's exactly what he wanted. You also don't trade him for unless he gives money back for the exact same reason. Listen to Shanny and read between the lines. Hell, he was direct about it. He flat out said that AH wasn't going anywhere (released or traded) unless he was willing to give some of that money back.

Shanny is smart and knows what he's doing. The players hate AH and for the coach to let this douche bag to get his way, it would have open the floodgates for the rest of the idiots in the league to do the same thing. You mean I can get paid upfront money, act like a douche bag, get cut/traded and get more money? WHERE DO I SIGN UP AT? This way, he sits at home and rots.

Your argument doesn't work because "they" didn't give him the money. Just because AH was paid by Vinny/Snyder then cut by Shanahan/Allen, doesn't mean that Shanahan/Allen would pay a player then cut them. The trick is to avoid paying the player in the first place, and only Vinny and Snyder are to blame for that. I have confidence in Shanahan and Allen to find committed players and pass on the slouches.

And, I don't think Shanahan or Allen care about the money.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Your argument doesn't work because "they" didn't give him the money. Just because AH was paid by Vinny/Snyder then cut by Shanahan/Allen, doesn't mean that Shanahan/Allen would pay a player then cut them. The trick is to avoid paying the player in the first place, and only Vinny and Snyder are to blame for that. I have confidence in Shanahan and Allen to find committed players and pass on the slouches.

And, I don't think Shanahan or Allen care about the money.

My argument does work. You forget that they redid his contract to front load it this year due to the uncapped year. He was acquired by Vinny/Snyder, but he became Shanny's problem when he inherited the team and had the contract reworked. He wasn't going to rework that contract with such a heavy front load without having assurances from AH that he was going to do his part. They did their part in giving him the money upfront, he is the one that didn't fulfill his. I'm almost certain we'll see the Redskins try to get back money from him.

You are right in a certain sense because it's more about the tone he's setting and the examples he's making for the culture to come. However, had this been some other guy not making hardly any money, he'd been cut day 1. He cut Devin Thomas, and he has LOADS of "potential/talent". Bottom line, it had to do with the money.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

My argument does work. You forget that they redid his contract to front load it this year due to the uncapped year. He was acquired by Vinny/Snyder, but he became Shanny's problem when he inherited the team and had the contract reworked. He wasn't going to rework that contract with such a heavy front load without having assurances from AH that he was going to do his part. They did their part in giving him the money upfront, he is the one that didn't fulfill his. I'm almost certain we'll see the Redskins try to get back money from him.

You are right in a certain sense because it's more about the tone he's setting and the examples he's making for the culture to come. However, had this been some other guy not making hardly any money, he'd been cut day 1. He cut Devin Thomas, and he has LOADS of "potential/talent". Bottom line, it had to do with the money.

I believe they did their contract stuff in April. I'm not sure if it was a reworked contract, or just a check that was due as part of the original agreement. At that time, I'm not sure they had enough evidence about Haynesworth's poor work ethic to justify his release then. Also note that he was already under contract. They didn't give him a contract, they just got stuck with it. Reworking it, because it makes financial sense, is unrelated.

In any case, they didn't release him then because they wanted to try to make it work. Thomas, on the other hand, is unproven. I don't think Shanahan cares about an unproven guy. He's not going to keep around a guy like Thomas, who doesn't work hard, just because he *might* do something one day. Haynesworth has already done something in this league -- he is a proven commodity, and worth fighting for. Thomas is not.

So, they tried, and it might be over, but I'm not convinced of that yet.