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[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

No disrespect but it would be an absolutely horrible move to give up Campbell (or anyone else on the team with value) in order to trade up to #1 from #4.

Seeing how fiscally prudent our FO has been with the offseason deals, I just don't see it happening.

I'm not saying it's a fair deal or one I like. I'm just pointing out a few things.
#1- The only sure spot is at #1. Any spot after leaves you guessing if your pick gets taken prior to your draft spot.

#2- Giving the Rams our #4 for their #1 will not be an even trade.

#3- I'd prefer we didn't throw away 2 draft picks to move up.

#4- Because of #3 we would have to come up with a decent trade scenario.

#5- The Rams have need at QB and DL.

#6- It has been reported that the Rams owners were not happy with Spags and their season. Rumor is he's been given a second year to turn things around. Knowing this would Spags throw all his eggs in one basket for a Rookie QB? JC is not a franchise QB but he is safe with the ball and learns offenses pretty quickly. Plus when they need 2 spots they would get them both.

#7- We are not getting so it seems a lot of teams banging down our door to pick up JC or trade for him. Due to the high tender. My opinion I'd even think about giving the Rams JC, the #4 pick, and Carter. I know the love fest for Carter but he is up in age, doesn't like playing in 3-4 defenses, and we have Jarmin and now AH can be moved to DE. Carter is expendable.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm not saying it's a fair deal or one I like. I'm just pointing out a few things.
#1- The only sure spot is at #1. Any spot after leaves you guessing if your pick gets taken prior to your draft spot.

#2- Giving the Rams our #4 for their #1 will not be an even trade.

#3- I'd prefer we didn't throw away 2 draft picks to move up.

#4- Because of #3 we would have to come up with a decent trade scenario.

#5- The Rams have need at QB and DL.

#6- It has been reported that the Rams owners were not happy with Spags and their season. Rumor is he's been given a second year to turn things around. Knowing this would Spags throw all his eggs in one basket for a Rookie QB? JC is not a franchise QB but he is safe with the ball and learns offenses pretty quickly. Plus when they need 2 spots they would get them both.

#7- We are not getting so it seems a lot of teams banging down our door to pick up JC or trade for him. Due to the high tender. My opinion I'd even think about giving the Rams JC, the #4 pick, and Carter. I know the love fest for Carter but he is up in age, doesn't like playing in 3-4 defenses, and we have Jarmin and now AH can be moved to DE. Carter is expendable.

I am guessing that you are not high on Campbell and must be star struck by Bradford.

Your points are good ones but if we actually traded Campbell, Carter and our #4 pick for a complete uncertainty along with the #1 pick's contract, the league should step in and start running our team. That scenario is crazy.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am guessing that you are not high on Campbell and must be star struck by Bradford.

Your points are good ones but if we actually traded Campbell, Carter and our #4 pick for a complete uncertainty along with the #1 pick's contract, the league should step in and start running our team. That scenario is crazy.

I agree, we would be giving up way too much in that scenario. I think the Grossman acquistion is a sign that JC is staying and Brennan is a goner.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am guessing that you are not high on Campbell and must be star struck by Bradford.

Your points are good ones but if we actually traded Campbell, Carter and our #4 pick for a complete uncertainty along with the #1 pick's contract, the league should step in and start running our team. That scenario is crazy.

No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme. His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme. His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.

I have yet to see a reliable and somewhat trustworthy source on this. Maybe if the pundits were actually talking of the Redskins drafting Okung instead of a QB, there'd be more talk about this.

Okung hands down is the best tackle in the draft, and from what I have read on him it sounds like he would be fine in zone blocking. But if someone finds an analysis that says otherwise, please do share it.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I have yet to see a reliable and somewhat trustworthy source on this. Maybe if the pundits were actually talking of the Redskins drafting Okung instead of a QB, there'd be more talk about this.

Okung hands down is the best tackle in the draft, and from what I have read on him it sounds like he would be fine in zone blocking. But if someone finds an analysis that says otherwise, please do share it.

Well I don't know about Okung being "hands down" the best tackle either. I've seen reports saying Trent Williams is the top prospect. I've saw another that said Bruce Campbell, out of Maryland, is a sleeper and is probably the most "athletic" out of the whole bunch.

I think what's certain is that this draft is fairly deep at the offensive tackle position.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme. His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.

I don't think it is limited at all(QB field). A lot of potential franchisers in this draft. Not saying they will pan out, but you don't know if Bradford and co are going to pan out either. It(meaning who is considered a top franchise type QB) all boils down to hype(press both TV, radio, and print, mostly TV though). A terrific QB on a bad team won't get the hype or exposure than one on a stacked powerhouse, so he won't be considered a decent prospect. I wouldn't be at all surprised if 3 out of the 4 top QBs bomb in the NFL. Why? The advantage the offense has over the defense in CFB is rendered almost null and void in the NFL. Next, you have the parity in the NFL. Not much parity in the Big 12 or SEC is there? You have a few really good teams with most being average to crappy. These guys might not be able to hack the parity every week as they were spoiled with being on vastly superior teams. Pretty hard for Tebow not to look good when you have the best running game in all of college football and taking snaps behind a mammoth line. Bradford might pan out the same way as Tebow. The Big 12 isn't known for parity either, or defense.