This loss could be the best thing to happen to his franchise.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

What happened to your live C-4 demo-ops??? I had a lot of faith that you'd be a faithful fans and go through with your plot. Guess I have to wait for someone insane or mad enough to do that...lol : )

I think blowing up Snyder with C-4 would be considered a crime. Not to the fans, but you know, to the judicial system. LOL.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Can I have some of your Kool Aid? I don't see the space ships yet!

All the coaches that everyone is proposing we bring in(Cowher, Shanahan, Holgrem) are not going to take this job with VC in his role. Do you think Snyder is going to be that stupid letting 3 different superbowl winning coaches walk instead of firing Cerrato?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

All the coaches that everyone is proposing we bring in(Cowher, Shanahan, Holgrem) are not going to take this job with VC in his role. Do you think Snyder is going to be that stupid letting 3 different superbowl winning coaches walk instead of firing Cerrato?

I agree with SS. Fire Vinny and Zorn. Bring in Russ Grimm. Shit, might as well bring in Cody Grimm. Anything is better than losing to the Lions.

[memphisskin]

This game sucked. Apart from the opening drive of the second half the Skins showed little to no fire all day, way to stay "medium" guys. This game was horrible, and it shows exactly how poor of a job Cerrato has done in his tenure. We have depth at safety (maybe) and possibly defensive line.

Zorn has done a horrible job of developing the youngsters, meanwhile I keep seeing young receivers everywhere else in the league getting a shot to make plays. Maybe we didn't need three receivers (two wr and one te) in the 2nd round last year, maybe we should have at least attempted to address our depth at LB. It sucks that our d-line gets no pressure still, that our secondary has no identity and continuously plays ten yards off the ball on 3rd and 4, that the same things that plagued us under Gibbs 2.0 continue to plague us. I'm frustrated, but I don't want to see Zorn's head on a stake. I want to see some improvement. Only I have zero confidence that I will.

[cdskins26]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I agree with SS. Fire Vinny and Zorn. Bring in Russ Grimm. Shit, might as well bring in Cody Grimm. Anything is better than losing to the Lions.

Dont be surprised when this happens. Knowing our owner, with his snydy senses tingling, Gibbs could be coach tomorrow.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Hey Tony Dungy what are you doing?

Hey, if he could get us moving like the Colts I'm all for it, but he didn't look that way with Tampa yrs a go. I think it was his OC.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

Dont be surprised when this happens. Knowing our owner, with his snydy senses tingling, Gibbs could be coach tomorrow.

Gibbs is finito coaching dude. And if he was wise he would stick with NASCAR. The franchise is facing a major overhaul if it is going to be respectable again. You need a younger guy for that task.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I agree with SS. Fire Vinny and Zorn. Bring in Russ Grimm. Shit, might as well bring in Cody Grimm. Anything is better than losing to the Lions.

Grimm and Casserly?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Gibbs is finito coaching dude. And if he was wise he would stick with NASCAR. The franchise is facing a major overhaul if it is going to be respectable again. You need a younger guy for that task.

Gibbs is definitely done for good this time.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Hey, if he could get us moving like the Colts I'm all for it, but he didn't look that way with Tampa yrs a go. I think it was his OC.

Dungy had a decent FO backing him up also. Dungy is a great coach, but without a decent FO he would be a waste.

[Hogroll]

Can it be the sky is falling time now?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is definitely done for good this time.

If Gibbs was say 15-20 years younger yeah go get him again, but you need to start pretty much from scratch this time around. Rebuilt lines, new RB to be honest, as well as a QB, not to mention an entire new defensive backfield. Why Lion WRs got total seperation on the longer routes and we didn't(with the exception of the Moss TD) is beyond me. Our DB's were pathetic today.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

In my 30 years of being a Redskins fan, this is an all time low. Worse than losing the 1 game to the 1-15 Cowboys. Worse than losing 38-9 in the Super Bowl. Worse than any Spurrier loss or even the Coach 'Robinskie' era. We lost to a team that hadn't won a game in 20 months. Any team would be embarrassed by today's effort and result. It just happens to have happened to us.

So now what? I think Dan Snyder has to now acknowledge that it's not working. This is not just a loss, this is an organizational failure. This is a failure of management, coaching and players. This is an organizational opportunity to reset. If Snyder reacts by firing Zorn tomorrow, that would be a typical, old Snyder knee jerk reaction. I hope he gets the realization that it's not working and takes a few measured steps to correcting the course of the franchise.

What I'd like to see Snyder do tomorrow is start the search immediately for a President of Football Operations. Instead of operating from the sideline up, we need drastic change from the front office down. There are some people available (Casserly, Holmgren, Floyd Reese, Bruce Allen) that Snyder could bring in now and allow them to take the season to evaluate the roster, the front office staff and the coaching staff. He doesn't need to make a move on Zorn or Cerrato. Someone needs to come in and be our Parcells or Joe Banner. We need an experienced front office person to come in and set the direction for the football team. Let them make the decisions on the coach and GM.

Personally, I want Shanahan to be our coach for the next decade because I believe he's a brilliant and progressive offensive mind and one of our major problems for decades is lack of an offensive identity. But, I don't think he'll be any more successful than Turner, Schotty, Spurrier, Gibbs or Zorn under our current structure. Unless we have a strong front office structure and an organizational plan, we'll be wasting Shanahan's talent and more years of our players careers.

I know I'm not breaking any new ground with this post, but this is a crucial point for the future of the Washington Redskins. We can do business as usual or make a dramatic change in the way things are done in order to save this once proud franchise.

100% agree. BTW this would have been a perfect response in my "Now What?" thread.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Grimm and Casserly?

I think he said Schottenhimer? Whatever? My Labrador could sniff out a better O-line than Vinny.

And yes, Cody Grimm the safety for VA Tech.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Grimm and Casserly?

I wouldn't be opposed to either one of them. Unfortunately it will probably be more like Jon Gruden and VC gets to keep his job.