The Redskins Are Close

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Ok then...we'll go the long way about it.

We needed to score a touchdown in the last minute and a half of the game just to be down by one touchdown.

...still doesn't sound close to me.

Long way works for me.

You know that game was decided by the outcome of an onside kick right? If you're suggesting that they let us in the end zone by design, you're accusing the entire Giants coaching staff of incompetence.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Long way works for me.

You know that game was decided by the outcome of an onside kick right? If you're suggesting that they let us in the end zone by design, you're accusing the entire Giants coaching staff of incompetence.

It's called the prevent defense.

They let us down the field didn't they? They weren't doing that the previous 3 and half quarters.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It's called the prevent defense.

They let us down the field didn't they? They weren't doing that the previous 3 and half quarters.

Well, sounds like you would be accusing them of incompetence. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the context of your statement.

Plus, prevent defense is designed to take away those last two long completions on the drive. Fact is, we just beat the coverage and scored.

Sure we could have dinked and dunked down the field, and they would have let us run the clock down, but that's not what happened. An onside kick is a 10% proposition, but if we get lucky, they have to stop us from getting 40 yards in a minute thirty, or we beat them.

I'm just not seeing the domination. They lead the whole way, and it wasn't exactly a back and forth game, but that's hardly domination.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, sounds like you would be accusing them of incompetence. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the context of your statement.

Plus, prevent defense is designed to take away those last two long completions on the drive. Fact is, we just beat the coverage and scored.

Sure we could have dinked and dunked down the field, and they would have let us run the clock down, but that's not what happened. An onside kick is a 10% proposition, but if we get lucky, they have to stop us from getting 40 yards in a minute thirty, or we beat them.

I'm just not seeing the domination. They lead the whole way, and it wasn't exactly a back and forth game, but that's hardly domination.

Wow...I'm getting a feeling that you watched the whole game and actually believe that.

Whew...Tynes scored a FG with 3 minutes 12 seconds in the fourth quarter. We receive the ball and score a TD with 1 minute 30 seconds left in the game. With the kickoff we scored in 1 minute and 42 seconds...

What Redskin offense is capable of scoring in 1min42sec??? So far it's taken us 5-fold that just to get into the redzone and kick a FG. If you don't see that as a gimmie score by the Giants prevent defense then there are other things you're not seeing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Wow...I'm getting a feeling that you watched the whole game and actually believe that.

Whew...Tynes scored a FG with 3 minutes 12 seconds in the fourth quarter. We receive the ball and score a TD with 1 minute 30 seconds left in the game. With the kickoff we scored in 1 minute and 42 seconds...

What Redskin offense is capable of scoring in 1min42sec??? So far it's taken us 5-fold that just to get into the redzone and kick a FG. If you don't see that as a gimmie score by the Giants prevent defense then there are other things you're not seeing.

Ok, Redskins suck and they are going to lose on Sunday and well you'll be correct and get to gloat about it here for eternity. That's what you want, right? I mean, you're going out of your way to piss all over a somewhat positive thread. No?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ok, Redskins suck and they are going to lose on Sunday and well you'll be correct and get to gloat about it here for eternity. That's what you want, right? I mean, you're going out of your way to piss all over a somewhat positive thread. No?

lol...No...of course not. Why would I want them to suck?

I'm not saying they're going to lose this Sunday...they're playing the Lions for god sakes.

But everyone, including me, is seriously considering that they will struggle against the 0-18 lions when they do play. What is the expectation on the year if we struggle against the lions on Sunday?...It doesn't take the finest football minds to tell you that playing out of the gate this season we're not built to last or to win.

That's probably why there is a hint of salt to my replies.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

lol...No...of course not. Why would I want them to suck?

I'm not saying they're going to lose this Sunday...they're playing the Lions for god sakes.

But everyone, including me, is seriously considering that they will struggle against the 0-18 lions when they do play. What is the expectation on the year if we struggle against the lions on Sunday?...It doesn't take the finest football minds to tell you that playing out of the gate this season we're not built to last or to win.

That's probably why there is a hint of salt to my replies.

Well I think every sane person here has this in mind...but as I said, plenty of threads that have been talking about the negatives. I know the team didn't give us any positives after than win, but we have to hope.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

lol...No...of course not. Why would I want them to suck?

I'm not saying they're going to lose this Sunday...they're playing the Lions for god sakes.

But everyone, including me, is seriously considering that they will struggle against the 0-18 lions when they do play. What is the expectation on the year if we struggle against the lions on Sunday?...It doesn't take the finest football minds to tell you that playing out of the gate this season we're not built to last or to win.

That's probably why there is a hint of salt to my replies.

I don't think that's really a fair statement. We have youth at the DL, OL(yes there is youth there), WR's, CB's, QB, Safeties. Now in terms of built to win, again, I am the optimist that says our qb has a very good pass completion percent, low int rate. our DL should be fierce as it gets on the same page. And Kelly/ARE/Cooley may become a triple threat receiving.

Obviously built to win, they need to prove that. But built to last, if our owner doesn't listen to the fan hacks, and instead stays patient, this team has a lot of youth that is capable of being together for many years.

[RobH4413]

I'm always ready for a rally call!


Let's kick some ass on Sunday! I'm ready for an effin beat down. I'm def. going to break open the Natty B'oh 30 pack and be a Redskins fan. I don't think we're that far off, the talent is there.

I think the best point 12th brings to the table is this:

There is no way Moss will continue to be this ineffective. Tana is healthy, and he is still blazing fast. He will get his 1 on 1 coverage, and open up. I'm so ready for a 100yd 2 td day for Moss.

And can we bring back the Moss screen pass? I guess with Thomas going down that hurts us a little bit in that department, but I love the WR screen.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I'm always ready for a rally call!


Let's kick some ass on Sunday! I'm ready for an effin beat down. I'm def. going to break open the Natty B'oh 30 pack and be a Redskins fan. I don't think we're that far off, the talent is there.

I think the best point 12th brings to the table is this:

There is no way Moss will continue to be this ineffective. Tana is healthy, and he is still blazing fast. He will get his 1 on 1 coverage, and open up. I'm so ready for a 100yd 2 td day for Moss.

And can we bring back the Moss screen pass? I guess with Thomas going down that hurts us a little bit in that department, but I love the WR screen.

Man remember a couple of years ago Tanna ate the Chiefs up with the screen pass? Was Herm Edwards the coach then?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Wow...I'm getting a feeling that you watched the whole game and actually believe that.

Whew...Tynes scored a FG with 3 minutes 12 seconds in the fourth quarter. We receive the ball and score a TD with 1 minute 30 seconds left in the game. With the kickoff we scored in 1 minute and 42 seconds...

What Redskin offense is capable of scoring in 1min42sec??? So far it's taken us 5-fold that just to get into the redzone and kick a FG. If you don't see that as a gimmie score by the Giants prevent defense then there are other things you're not seeing.

Don't you see the stretches you have to make to fit the Redskins offense into this realm of complete incompetence?

There's no such thing as a gimme score in football. Teams will happily trade yards for clock minutes, but if you think that the Giants thought it ideal to let the Redskins into the end zone with 1:30 on the clock, you're narrative is already dead in the water.

This is similar to the argument I jumped on GMScud for yesterday, and while I'm not doubting that you've thought through your critiques, the game doesn't end when you declare it's over. You can't even say the Giants weren't blitzing to try to slow down the Redskins. Trust me, they weren't looking to get into an onside-kick-decides-the-game siutation.

For most of the game, the Redskins passing offense > Giants passing defense. That drive was simply an extension of that principle.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

For most of the game, the Redskins passing offense > Giants passing defense. That drive was simply an extension of that principle.

If that was true then this would have happened...Redskins score > Giants score

...being that it didn't I'd say your narrative is the one that is inaccurate.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

If that was true then this would have happened...Redskins score > Giants score

...being that it didn't I'd say your narrative is the one that is inaccurate.

can I point out that minus JCs fumble, our offense did score more than the Giants.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

If that was true then this would have happened...Redskins score > Giants score

...being that it didn't I'd say your narrative is the one that is inaccurate.

Nope. You can't draw that conclusion strictly from the premises I gave. You also have to assume extra information.

The premises I gave are as follows, in case you missed it:

1) The Giants defense is not in the business of handing out chunks of yards for free. Large chunks of yards are earned.

2) Redskins, with the whole game as evidence, moved the ball through the air with relative ease. Therefore, Redskins passing offense > Giants passing defense.

The conclusion I'm making is that what happened between 3:00 and 1:30 in this game is not at all surprising, given the way the rest of the game had gone. It also ended up being irrelevant. But you didn't and couldn't have concluded at the time that it was irrelivant. Therefore, you can't assume what you are assuming about the TD not mattering.

Note that nowhere did I suggest that the Giants weren't the better team, only that, I'm not seeing the dominance you were.